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Date:      Sat, 13 May 2017 10:09:52 -0700
From:      "Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya)" <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>, Ngie Cooper <ngie@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r318250 - in head: etc etc/newsyslog.conf.d etc/syslog.d tools/build/mk
Message-ID:  <B486F745-A3A2-4DCB-A453-907C3D73AE12@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfpmcfU9YCxgZ%2Bi3AnPW77TPk1MRu2msWJ4t-rPE90SCiw@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <201705131537.v4DFbgWV045290@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <E6B91EBC-7E7B-4A0B-9807-506A786EDC45@gmail.com> <E92037DB-3739-4BA9-BC96-A50855F19B04@gmail.com> <CANCZdfpmcfU9YCxgZ%2Bi3AnPW77TPk1MRu2msWJ4t-rPE90SCiw@mail.gmail.com>

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> On May 13, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>=20
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Ngie Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com =
<mailto:yaneurabeya@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On May 13, 2017, at 09:29, Ngie Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> On May 13, 2017, at 08:37, Rodney W. Grimes =
<freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>> Author: ngie
>>>>> Date: Sat May 13 03:10:50 2017
>>>>> New Revision: 318250
>>>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/318250
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Log:
>>>>> Handle the logfiles in newsyslog and syslogd conditionally, based =
on
>>>>> src.conf(5) knobs
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This will allow consumers of FreeBSD to use the unmodified =
configuration
>>>>> files out of the box more than previously.
>>>>=20
>>>> What about simply generating proper newsyslog.conf and syslog.conf =
based
>>>> on the the MK_ values rather than change the visible administration
>>>> interface that has finger memory, ansible, and puppet support?
>>>=20
>>> - My employer doesn't use puppet on its appliances.
>>> - Files snapshotted in time bitrot (which was the case with our =
configs, which is part of the reason behind this change.
>=20
> couldn't you have an Isilion config file in the appropriate directory
> instead? And use the default newsyslog / syslog config files?

I=E2=80=99m not sure I=E2=80=99m in disagreement with this statement, =
but the fact is that there are a handful of config files, about 200 =
lines each, which drive newsyslog/syslogd on OneFS, with a fair amount =
of duplication. I=E2=80=99m trying to simplify the mess I=E2=80=99m =
presented with at work, one bit at a time.

>>> - It's really easy to screw up a mergemaster call if you edit the =
files, and install the stock version which removes the edits.
>>=20
>> Also, programmatically removing the entries means you have to bake =
the metadata into etc/Makefile, which is already complicated enough =
as-is.
>=20
> Why do you care about removing them at all? They are no-ops if the
> files don't exist. Why not just always install all these files is
> where I'm going with this=E2=80=A6

I don=E2=80=99t follow. Could you please restate this paragraph?
Thanks,
-Ngie

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