From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 30 10:35:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sdns.kv.ukrtel.net (sdns.kv.ukrtel.net [195.5.27.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB2837B416; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vega.vega.com (195.5.51.243 [195.5.51.243]) by sdns.kv.ukrtel.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id J9KHY99Q; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:36:39 +0300 Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3UHYw193702; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:34:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3CCED642.262C4938@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:37:06 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jarkko Hietaniemi Cc: perl5-porters@perl.org, Mark Murray , Josef Karthauser , Chris Nandor , Christopher Masto , Raphael Manfredi , Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tobez@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Save a few hunderd kilobytes or a few hundred perl users? References: <200204301406.g3UE6uoI028768@grimreaper.grondar.org> <20020430193304.A30405@alpha.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > > (I promise that this is my last message about this matter to this large a > recipient list. Who is the maintainer of the Perl package in FreeBSD? > Anton Berezin, I think? tobez@freebsd.org CCed.) > > Though I disagree with the tone of Dan Kogai, I must agree on the > technical grounds that leaving away standard modules and still calling > it "Perl" is not quite right. > > I think both from the viewpoints of the Perl distribution *and* an OS > distribution *IF* modules have to be left out for space-saving reasons > the fair thing to do would be to make it clear to the users of the OS > distribution that what they are getting is not the full Perl. This > will cut down the number of misunderstandings on both sides. > > Firstly, both the outputs of perl -v and perl -V should be amended. > For example: > > $ perl -v > > This is perl, v5.6.1 built for i686-freebsd > > THIS INSTALLATION HAS BEEN MODIFIED FOR FREEBSD. NOT ALL STANDARD > MODULES ARE INCLUDED. The missing modules are: ... > To get the full standard installation, install ... > > Copyright 1987-2002, Larry Wall > > Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the > GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. > > Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on > this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'. If you have access to the > Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.com/, the Perl Home Page. > > Secondly, as the above message indicates, there should be a full Perl > installation available, using whatever packaging method is used by the > OS distribution. Folks, please put the fscking modules back - the gain from their removal isn't worth all fuzz and FUD that such removal generated. Just UAH0.02 from bystander. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message