From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 12 22:29:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EB516A41F for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:29:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fhard@ccstores.com) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [209.53.238.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFED243D68 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:29:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fhard@ccstores.com) Received: from [64.114.58.101] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ElwAz-000LPz-79; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:29:45 -0800 Message-ID: <439DF9D9.2040507@ccstores.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:29:45 -0800 From: Jim Pazarena Organization: City Centre Stores Ltd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <439A576E.3070302@ccstores.com> In-Reply-To: <439A576E.3070302@ccstores.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (01) Subject: hardware incompatibility list was:watchdog timeout X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:29:46 -0000 Jim Pazarena wrote: > on FreeBSD 5.4 I simply never had this problem > on 6.0, it is continuous. > > A PCMCIA card, 3Com Megahertz 10/100 Lan Cardbus PC Card > 3CCFE575BT > > xl0: watchdog timeout > > over and over and over > > It has forced me to switch back to 5.4 on my laptop. > Can anyone offer an explanation why 5.4 wouldn't complain, > but 6.0 won't _stop_ ? > > Thanks, > Jim I have come to dis-trust the Hardware Compatibility list. The above 3Com model # worked flawlessly in 5.4, *is* present on the 6.0 compatibility list, but none-the-less doesn't work without multiple never-ending watchdog timeouts on 6.0. The same is true with a Specialix SX multiple serial I/O system. Just plain doesn't work with *5.4* _or_ 6.0. John Baldwin is helping me with that one. What I am getting at, is, that the Hardware Compatibility I am feared is woefully out of date. Old hardware may not work with the newer kernel (as evidenced by the 3Com failure in 6.0), and new hardware just plain doesn't work (as evidenced by the brand new Specialix card not working). I suggest that someone should attempt to validate all the listed hardware in the recent releases so that the end user (like myself) does not get stung spending money on new hardware which isn't compatible with newer kernel releases. Perhaps a form can be created for end-users to fill in the blanks (or pull-down from the list) to enter which hardware (they/we) are using, which OS version, etc, so a new list can be verified? respectfully, Jim