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To: doug@fledge.watson.org Cc: Polytropon , Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190910070033.GA29721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20190911041439.9ba45e18.freebsd@edvax.de> <10971217-3072-cfee-785d-3748e9879a2f@gmail.com> <20190911110708.95a9b3f8.freebsd@edvax.de> <44ftl3hrdf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20190911160926.5b3549c3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Per Hedeland Message-ID: <73a70d38-ff87-54b0-89ef-2aae257b03df@hedeland.org> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:47:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46T79T6yhqz48ct X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of per@hedeland.org has no SPF policy when checking 64.68.202.10) smtp.mailfrom=per@hedeland.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[209.157.228.81.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.32)[ipnet: 64.68.200.0/22(-0.13), asn: 16686(1.82), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hedeland.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.27)[0.272,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.820,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[10.202.68.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16686, ipnet:64.68.200.0/22, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:47:27 -0000 On 2019-09-11 18:00, doug@fledge.watson.org wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Polytropon wrote: >> >> It's like how tools like dig and bind disappeared from the base system. They are now in ports and can be installed optionally. However, if a documentation file is still part of the OS, and installed >> along with the tools comprising the OS, the corresponding reader (!) should also be part of the OS. Or at least a placeholder, which could be a script that simply echo "This tool is no longer part >> of FreeBSD, please install this or that.", exit 0. :-) > > My thought on texinfo was that this was a bit different than when nslookup, dig, and bind were removed from the base. To the level I use drill it has the same syntax as dig, nslookup functions can > [mostly??] be done with host. Bind is, well, bind. Here we remove the tool needed to read a set of files from the base but leave the files. But, but... - surely there are no info files in base? They live in /usr/local/share/info, which should be enough of an indication, but just to make sure: $ ls /usr/share/info ls: /usr/share/info: No such file or directory $ ls /usr/local/share/info | wc -l 78 $ pkg which /usr/local/share/info/* | grep 'installed by package' | wc -l 77 $ pkg which /usr/local/share/info/* | grep -v 'installed by package' /usr/local/share/info/dir was not found in the database $ cat /usr/local/share/info/dir Produced by: indexinfo 0.3.1. File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree ... > I suspect there will be a lot of this when sendmail is > removed from the base. Not sure what "this" means, but sendmail doesn't have an info file, and it's a pretty safe prediction that it never will. Seems perfectly reasonable to me that tools to read the info files from ports/packages are also in ports/packages, especially since there are multiple choices. And just to add to the list: emacs (C-h i) - which is what I personally use (since I use emacs as editor) - though actually I often prefer 'less'.:-) --Per