From nobody Fri Feb 2 14:54:09 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TRJhm0T5Kz58tdB for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x632.google.com (mail-ej1-x632.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::632]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TRJhl5b7pz4JPh for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x632.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a2f79e79f0cso306259666b.2 for ; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 06:54:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706885686; x=1707490486; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Br6s5t0pxM1y452qRxfxtMTxU9/ugXMazmtNJfLhdFs=; b=I2aGOrvmef/CBodIqXgJzAEuNDkvdizuO/cg+ONZLGnpiqQ7KacBBcepBPgaiT02lb nm9XPF5e5ay9jl1DPfo9PAiS1eomX3POVP1sUZTrji7OZP7vIczDucee9euKu3vLdNak AeYxFwMvn7F0gX9TdRvvOcAYXHiMRVYwpwOS5mClhb60LiHg1D3ctUVjv+MnDDmzkjoi TgpTXxCO8UwEcEREVn1GtwGNA0t1J8vy4v0uR7q4yhra0qDcDT+el0buBsmI9kJCLQhI QZYUi72a1BieXfq2AO77BjgEXNzuXjppQ8glPPIVdKOjLmVZtiEikXxgQ0rafvkzdBvQ JtxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706885686; x=1707490486; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Br6s5t0pxM1y452qRxfxtMTxU9/ugXMazmtNJfLhdFs=; b=uD+NGbFGg79OL4UpyPAdIQa+3c50ykDBb/xI9MtUgUIMjx3eZta2cL8lqo/M+lmrC+ rKJRVEZS65l/L1DvyJcQ/fChqb1azbQC0eWMdlnHIx063Co7mmWQyVPhHmyaHbH9CJq3 QoWOzM08W4fOHA4m/ySrbhmj+/A6/nCpdhqnwYp8ytDyy7/E6emOKMfFbTkUG1WHXSgp Umn5LWoEhu5CkYzKhtMtugg0Cxyb1JYQ5jX3N9WkeoLJ6rSnGQDUUnHGZJ9+nZgTXJIe YAcXNHeKBw8tcxB+lTRKCRtjy9UEK0H+W5fCX2M+wGj6nsAM+eZmf3PgcS+cQThsnhPY 7hWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxwPpw06STVkuSXt9pc991G/nDd/9VjfmVW0AX0GCU8ds9cDMpq cel/DtnubSxsHzYLA8nTACjHOaX1KZZ94p/aHgt54pvSmAV/SK/U2Ffxo2ZiDPH+pHdy6xi3eVd 3qc0rjapDVnmW72VFu5y5RZo+bjMdpYfM5qnk5zOx X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEAuPYa9I6l4o8n7bQoq4vUEbm0a/eH81gzGDntvURn56IgN4INx8iPJKIlO5/PGZ7lF0BrjWLicVpntmLgByc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7802:b0:a37:23e1:63ed with SMTP id la2-20020a170907780200b00a3723e163edmr623740ejc.33.1706885685584; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 06:54:45 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mario Marietto Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 15:54:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: Alejandro Imass Cc: Paul Vixie , FreeBSD virtualization Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f629e30610674a46" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TRJhl5b7pz4JPh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000f629e30610674a46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---> BTW, I think what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel. Please don't compare FreeBSD to MacOS. On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 3:33=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto > wrote: > >> Alejandro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the discussion at a certain >> point has broadened and deepened. I don't understand why I can't propose >> an alternative to the actual jail and jail managers that you are talking >> about. And no. On the L4 website there is a userland based on new versio= ns >> of Ubuntu and Debian that can be used with the microkernel offered. They >> also say that FreeBSD can be compiled,too,using the same technique used = to >> build the Linux userland proposed. If you want to talk about containers,= why >> not also add the microkernel topic,that's not a container,but its workin= g >> can be compared to the microservices offered by Linux and FreeBSD if the= y >> run with a microkernel. >> >> > Never said you can't propose it, it just seems off-topic to this thread. > Maybe start a new thread on microkernel versus X. > This thread is about containers and container configuration, auto-scaling= , > discovery, updating and monitoring, etc. > > What I usually do in this case is start a new thread with a new subject > and (was: xxx). > That way, people interested in that branch of the discussion can continue > on its own topic, and the mail archives can do a better job for later > research. > > BTW, I think what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that= : > the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel. > > Best, > > -- > Alex > --=20 Mario. --000000000000f629e30610674a46 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
---> BTW, I think what you are saying already exis= ts and macOS is exactly that: the FreeBSD core and the mach microkernel.=C2= =A0

Please don't compare FreeBSD to MacOS.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 3:33=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> wrote:


On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:29=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<= a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gma= il.com> wrote:
Alejandro,I'm not sure if you are aware that the= discussion at a certain point has broadened = and deepened. I don't understand why I can't propose an alternative= to the actual jail and jail managers that you are talking about. And no. O= n the L4 website there is a userland based on new versions of Ubuntu and De= bian that can be used with the microkernel offered. They also say that Free= BSD can be compiled,too,using the same technique used to build the Linux us= erland proposed. If you want to talk about containers,why not also add the = microkernel topic,that's not a container,but its working can be compare= d to the microservices offered by Linux and FreeBSD if they run with a micr= okernel.


Never said you can't propose it, it just seems of= f-topic to this thread. Maybe start a new thread on microkernel versus X.= =C2=A0
This thread is about containers and container configuratio= n, auto-scaling, discovery, updating and monitoring, etc.

What I usually do in this case is start a new thread with a new sub= ject and (was: xxx).=C2=A0
That way, people interested in that br= anch of the discussion can continue on its own topic, and the mail archives= can do a better job for later research.

BTW, I th= ink what you are saying already exists and macOS is exactly that: the FreeB= SD core and the mach microkernel.=C2=A0

Best,

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Alex


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Mario.
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