From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 5 2:54:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8D737B404 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tRM8-0004Wz-00; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:54:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:54:08 +0100 From: Ceri To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: Questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy Message-ID: <20020405105408.GA17235@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri , "Philip J. Koenig" , Questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020405101026.GC15938@submonkey.net> <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020405102702321.AAA393@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 02:27:02AM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > On 5 Apr 2002, at 11:10, Ceri boldly uttered: > > > To clarify the situation : > > > > To subscribe to a list requires confirmation. > > > > To post to a list does not, nor do you need to be subscribed. > > > > I don't remember a time when this was any different (but then I've only > > been subscribed for 18 months or so). > > > > Ah.. I overlooked an "assymetrical" scenario. > > I have to say, I don't think I can ever recall a single email list > outside of these that had such a setup - where it required a > subscription to read but allowed anyone to post. It's really quite > bizarre to me - how are these people supposed to read the responses > to their questions if they don't subscribe?? See below. > I notice a lot of people are cc'ing the original poster in their > responses, but that is not just a hassle when replying, it's also a > courtesy that I'd hate to have to rely on if I had a problem I was > trying to solve. It's standard practice on this list, and isn't hard to do at all : you just press G instead of R in mutt, or use Reply All if you're using some gui mailer. In addition, people who aren't subscribed often say "I'm not subscribed, so please CC me". > I stand by my contention that allowing anyone to post is just an > invitation to spamming the list. (or an invitation to draconian anti- > spam filters to mitigate the spam, with the result that innocent > users get their traffic bounced) Allowing anyone to post is a good thing, both for people who are trying to get help when (say) their incoming mail is broken (yes, this sounds stupid, but you can read a good archive like marc.theaimsgroup.com to get your replies). Also, I have posted to this list in the past from at least 4 different addresses, and I don't see why I should have to subscribe with each one. You also should bear in mind that developers have @FreeBSD.org addresses, so the policies currently in place work for them too, whereas using a subscription option as you suggest wouldn't. And I know other lists that have the same policies (nom-steer, for one). Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message