From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 20 12:03:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA22777 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA22772 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15627; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:58:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:58:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199701201958.MAA15627@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Terry Lambert Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Commerical applications (was: Development and validation In-Reply-To: <199701201752.KAA15603@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <17107.853740593@time.cdrom.com> <199701201752.KAA15603@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > I admit that following pattern-flow logic requires the ability to > follow patern-flow logic. If you've got it, you've got it; if you > haven't, it's "tediously unreadable". Like Clifford Algebras or > Chebyenchev Polynomials. Translation: Terry: I'm a stud, you're not. > > > OBSERVATION: Other OS's have achieved these tasks. > > > > "OBSERVATION: NO OS has acheived these tasks without paying a > > full-time staff, and none of the free OS camps has enough clued-in > > bodies to do even half the things they'd like (and possibly even need) > > to do. Terry is peering into alternate universe again due to local > > field effect of as-yet undetermined nature." > > 1) Linux has ELF. > 2) FreeBSD does not. > 3) ELF is desirable > 4) Linux is doing something right that FreeBSD isn't. Item 4 is *NOT* the inevitable result of 1, 2, and 3. You've forgotten that ELF was *necessary* in Linux in order for it to get beyond a certain stage, and it's not (yet) necessary in FreeBSD. Plus, the entire move to ELF was *NOT* done with the users best interest in mind. > 1) Linux has a large number of willing bodies > 2) FreeBSD complains of a dearth of bodies. > 3) Allocation of bodies to the projects is based on the > interaction of the social organism with the larger society. > 4) Linux is doing something right that FreeBSD isn't. - Microsoft has a large number of willing bodies willing to test it's software for free. ... - Microsoft's model must be superior... Hmm, somewhere there is a logic fallacy. > > > QUESTION: Why is is that the adoption of ELF is categorized > > > as premature, when it works? > > > > Defense lawyer: "Objection!" > > > > Judge: "Yes, Mr. Selachii?" > > > > Selachii: "The actual statement was ``a premature move to elf'', the > > context of which makes it quite clear that any assumption of > > maturity, or lack thereof, refers entirely to the action of > > movement, or in this case the merging of code, rests entirely > > with the speed or pace at which this action is carried out > > and does not, in fact, make any assumptions or claims > > concerning the actual maturity level of the ELF software > > itself." > > > > Judge: "What!?" > > Judge: Overruled, Mr. Selachii. During discovery, you agreed > with Prosecution's posit that "ELF was a good thing". > You did not attach conditions then, and I will not > allow you to attach conditions now. Right! You want to play stupid word games: 1) Bill Gates has a couple billion dollars 2) Terry does not 3) Having a couple billion dollars is a good thing since Terry wants to invest in nano-technology 4) Terry is doing something wrong. Terry: But, but having a billion dollars isn't as important to me as finding good solution to problems, rather than re-using existing technology. Judge: Over-ruled, not external stipulations are allowed, you agreed that having a couple billion dollars was a good thing and *NOTHING* can stand in the way of you making it your only priority in life. So Terry, I want to see you start quitting time posting to the mailing lists and instead I want to see your name with the likes of Marc A., Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates in the next year. Nate