From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 14:22:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8BF16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0339043D45 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so102751rnf for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=onoFYuvYHNjgVnMNMXlJ4GhsKqA7Jg2GCSHgh0FFRDeJqKvbu1G2BLAvNXEstU9K3RSQwQDwDc1SqhFWgPYYBFnRpZqMXo3idIShgSqg1zQiXd6NWHFM485XypUvZCqtJZqyYgtCqFk1Ih3B9hYyFl0DT3cqX1i7K2SSMRls248= Received: by 10.38.104.74 with SMTP id b74mr31750rnc; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:22:50 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502092223.01650.algould@datawok.com> <1905317067.20050210103050@wanadoo.fr> <894943359.20050210150947@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:22:51 -0000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a > > relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our > > daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing > > forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know, "He's a > > mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at > > all?). > > Tell you what: Go out and find out how much it would cost to print > 10,000 copies of that "logo" on paper, exactly as it appears on the > site, in crisp detail and bright colors. Then you'll see why a separate > logo is required. > > > A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite > > recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece > > of type. > > Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_. The image you > reference doesn't even come close to that. > > > These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our > > daemon on technical merit. > > It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem. Beastie is > too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media. > > -- > Anthony Very *cough* convenient cut job. I certainly mentioned that the freeBSD logo could use some simplification for ease of printing. My argument was simply that FreeBSD proper calls the beastie a logo, the userbase calls it a logo, and the dictionary does not invalidate it as a logo. the word "especially" used in a definition means taht it is not a requirement for fulfillment, just a trend in things fulfilling that definition. Further, dictionaries work by listing multiple definitions, and the fulfillment of any of them would qualify the word for acceptable use. Perhaps you missed the following (dictionary.com) n : a company emblem or device Perhaps "emblem" was troubling. An emblem is defined as (again, dictionary.com) n 1: special design or visual object representing a quality, type, group, etc. 2: a visible symbol representing an abstract idea Since a "mascot" (which most/all are certainly saying the daemon is) is a n : a person or animal that is adopted by a team or other group as a symbolic figure I should certainly think that a representation of a mascot, is a visual object representing the group that the mascot also represented. And this is definitely an emblem of FreeBSD. What's more important, from a linguistic perspective, is the usage within the group in question. The group in question is definitely FreeBSD core team and the FreeBSD community. These messages and dozens like it show that the commonly understood usage of logo does include images of our mascot, again, easily seen by looking at logo_saver. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised.