From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Nov 26 16:15:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10755DEAAD8; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAA766F142; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id IzLWeb2HTGvLHIzLXeDRFw; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:59:58 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=a9pAzQaF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=Ikt0M2cxAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=nRw0MP0jAAAA:8 a=jRt0O2FX6Cl4r4fkbLcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=iYm7J9qDpiSF5xNCBZUT:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=TqOS20DUQF7LHOIXzZmQ:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01451AA; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vAQFxrDd049554; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vAQFxqQD049551; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201711261559.vAQFxqQD049551@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) In-Reply-To: Message from "Julian H. Stacey" of "Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:48:12 +0100." <201711261350.vAQDmCqn000352@fire.js.berklix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:52 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJe+KsOqiBNHFuHPBX+x70Qcyy8RcPT/BoA7zUR6yzKTd+Uoow1RjI2eMMRMZsb8qISS7tYGRe2LZtmYDl+t2bmxqdxYCcSR5cNYIEX9SbKHhyeW6w3Y Gh87wes/c6PveVfFOemHtbJHJJ8Wo5fgJ1Vrbr+2HRo8BHCT5u2ZBu1/Mg0kdChNYrf6Kv2bFX9tpeNPwovftp/0ul2lDxci23QnLNRXHYX2Oabn3CNfkar5 jpouY4V+3dPMQShCyMZIAg== X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:15:00 -0000 In message <201711261350.vAQDmCqn000352@fire.js.berklix.net>, "Julian H. Stacey " writes: > Hi Hackers@ & Arch@ > Mcl's long held animosity to me distracts. Better to consider ideas > not by author, but on merit or otherwise, & maybe improve them. I think you might be reading too much into it. To bring this on topic. Fortune needs to go. The process to remove it has commenced and will after review be implemented. Why? Games should be, if anywhere, in ports. Take for example what Red Hat has done. There are no games in Red Hat 6. Sure you might find some in EPL. And as of RHEL 7, absolutely nothing. I suspect that they've made the choice to avoid problems like this. We should do likewise. I would fully support removal of games from ports as well but I might tolerate them there -- why if I install gnome or kde do I want to give up MB or GB of precious disk to games? This is 2017. I really don't understand why there is so much angst about this. Lastly. I'm not totally against games. My 4 and 5 year old grandkids play games on game tablets. However I would never let my grandkids even see what fortune spits out. Much of it was offensive. I would have been ashamed had they seen some of the outputs. Fortune in base is totally indefensible and for that matter even in ports it is. It absolutely has to go. I fully support Benno's effort. To repeat: To say that mcl has animosity toward you is really unfair. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > Commit bits are a privilege. Contentious commits forced through > > before discussion, should by policy be automaticaly reverted, > > & committers bit suspended, pending committer peer review - Not with > > reference to the desirability or otherwise of a commit, but for > > imposing on FreeBSD without prior discussion. > > > > Commiter conduct reviews should be seperate from > > discussion of desirability of a contentious commit. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian H. Stacey, Computer Consultant, BSD Linux Unix Systems Engineer, Munic > h > Reply below, Prefix '> '. Plain text, No .doc, base64, HTML, quoted-printabl > e. > http://berklix.eu/brexit/ UK stole 3,500,000 votes; 700,000 from Brits in EU > . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >