From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 22 16:41:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC1D3523 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-x236.google.com (mail-wg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A4A5845 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id y19so21432618wgg.13 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:41:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nQFIHD80TvPxA5nHOMnd9rf3GjsgguFGthgFFPhR+n8=; b=C6uLFZ4wXQmSnJzlG6XAI+sx3nK4maSVlQaDTGsYzWnkxIcqMQgxg0hpjFjLG+37f5 DnNO8+rfXZnLXNsX1cOCtm1N3rbTwCxAY/i55dHPzFF+Jc5Se/Z+fsZdexYfcbd20NjH nmtfOTuDS30PY2ydQ4GnJpyLrq7U/ezcZSSMdFTSz5VnfB80L9wlR0tGZpz0wefuVq5v 6vLIEESP13Yh2EU4rv09TiRhqlOyhU5vN9jO5th7r8qxdwLVY4KhcKof3ppucXS8osth sOXD2Gohp+GUUUphJjEXmadOxGJX0PWywvyvW97ap6TWkAifi4Jr9QSLYTzU/LGhQ10g HbRg== X-Received: by 10.194.95.200 with SMTP id dm8mr14694943wjb.122.1424623265696; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (4e5670d9.skybroadband.com. [78.86.112.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qo10sm51781206wjc.38.2015.02.22.08.41.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:41:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:41:02 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: default pager (csh) Message-ID: <20150222164102.65893435@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <54E6AE88.3020302@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <021CBC62-4CC6-4137-897E-FE482139E09B@westryn.net> <201502190116.t1J1GxAw028289@mail.karels.net> <20150219145251.7f6b4fd5@gumby.homeunix.com> <54E6AE88.3020302@ShaneWare.Biz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:41:07 -0000 On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:18:24 +1030 Shane Ambler wrote: > On 20/02/2015 01:22, RW wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:16:59 -0600 > > Mike Karels wrote: > > > > > >> Trivia: the version of more on BSD systems actually is derived from > >> less, not the original version of more. > > > > Actually, more is less > > > > $ md5 -r `which less ` `which more ` > > 50404f1beaa4e1261407190a88494b59 /usr/bin/less > > 50404f1beaa4e1261407190a88494b59 /usr/bin/more > > Yes more has been less for some time, trouble is it is programmed to > behave differently based on the name used to call it so they aren't > the same. I'm aware of that. > Like everything, if you don't like the way it works you find a setting > to make it work the way you want. Whether you ask on a mailing list or > google it you will find a way to configure it your way. > > As long as it works, the default is of little concern to most. Whatever the choice of default pager, I think the defaults should be set-up so man doesn't exit at the bottom of a page. The fact that it's easy to change make it all the more obtuse have a default that's awkward for new users who want to read the documentation.