From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 15:12:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1E2365FD0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5kXh4Xsqz4bLH for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb10:8e64:fe00:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53335E5AC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1594739558; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=/obJaFxcTk5UE4oTS/5bCFSVh0eRlzRnrMYwVp+GIlA=; b=B7RHeYvx6OncJrD8GgW0fZ9FQSDd74SYxuhqHShbP7PetjrW5OMwoKB2EwCWspCAh9aX7f A2vzENR+lLMy56+keVeQzpdXZ3hMOAq+yOXw5WMadxhPpu72IHjv0P9hqK3Iuwmd6cxJUe 0fYhvpsRYKvURaBBIIqgCSViOb3ChAw= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137C0115CE for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:12:37 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij Message-ID: <20200714151237.GA28670@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> <20200714070831.f01a144e1dc808ebea421afe@sohara.org> <20200714104735.ceae71903e2f61bf401655ea@sohara.org> <8f96ee4e-2922-7850-6839-1c50a62094fe@gmail.com> <20200714153626.62ade8ec.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20200714153626.62ade8ec.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.60 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.foucry.net X-Spam-Score: -2.60 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5kXh4Xsqz4bLH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=B7RHeYvx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.028]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.195]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:54 -0000 Le mardi 14 juil. 2020 à 15:36:26 (+0200), Polytropon à écrit: > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 04:16:16 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: > > > > On 7/14/20 2:47 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:16:56 -0400 > > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:08 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:46:02 -0400 > > >>> Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > >>> > > [snip] > > >> Bottom line not everything is a nail so using a hammer on everything is > > >> wrong but it is equally wrong to use a screwdriver handle as a hammer TIOwhen > > >> you find an actual real nail > > > Well said. > > Whew! I was afraid I'd managed to start a *real* flame war, one of those > > endless my-language/your-language pissing matches. :D > > Don't worry! Experienced programmers _know_ that you can write > crappy code in _every_ language - it's just the fact the some > languages encourage writing bad code more than others if the > programmer did not properly learn the language's elements and > its adjacent tools. :-) And others (like COBOL[1]) are strictly discourage bad/non reading code. Sometimes, when I had to read and understand others code, the DECLARACTION SECTION, PROCEDURE SECTION miss me :-) [^1]: Yes, I'm old enought to learned coding in COBOL (not object, I'm not so crazy). -- Jacques Foucry