From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 27 00:07:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA13080 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13056 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA02192; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:07:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:07:54 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Jake Hamby cc: "'Christoph Kukulies'" , "'invalid opcode'" , "'jehamby@lightside.com'" , "'hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) In-Reply-To: <01BB042E.4636BDE0@hamby1.lightside.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Jake Hamby wrote: > >A point about which I must disagree... Win32 is not as good. Perhaps it > >will never be (just think about DOS - it *did* become better over the > >time of it's existence). If the things go on as they are now, IMHO > >FreeBSD will have better SMP support than Win32... > > It's VERY popular, though! :-) It has a lot of features from Unix (e.g. > Winsock, memory-mapped files, etc..) and features that Unix will never have > a standard for (e.g. context-sensitive hypertext help, unified printing > system, unified TrueType font system, OLE). Now I agree that, for example, Man? GNU Texinfo? Ever heard about Adobe Type 1? > OpenDoc is superior to OLE, but OLE has been around for several years now, > and OpenDoc is just coming out. The other problem is that you COULD put > all the features I mentioned into an X program (help, printing, fonts, > etc), but you'd have to either buy somebody else's code, or write your own, > and either way you end up spending way more time and/or money, and get a > program which looks very different from others of its kind. > > >Emulating another system is never as good as running in native mode, no > >matter how hard you try. How about making headers and libraries which > >would allow you to compile you win32 code for FreeBSD and X11 with little > >to no changes? It would allow all those shareware people list that their > >products are available for several platrorms, one of which is real unix :) > > As I mentioned, there is ALREADY a toolkit to do this called TWIN, from > Willows software (www.willows.com). You can compile Windows (and soon > Win32) programs to native code using GCC or any other compiler. Already it > is in a much better state than WINE, and it is free for non-commercial > development. This was one big reason for me to decide to learn Win32. > > ---Jake > > Sander