From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 23:02:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0E1106564A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA00C8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so10615720pbb.13 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=shxY+EbujZfpYcH/2WQgqCvLPXNx7a9wTaJ0j1TJO20=; b=y2W16t0FIKBZJQ1Iczz9i310++TtYLegrHM6gF1R82bxhTnW8sO/I3jH6Fum+FW5iX lSydKcVmy/5JfNycLcAxrq8aljK1ZiQ2wU/8/WFA/r6JXRMvqiyrtSh5x3k4a9tUx5of rMvxfShU4MJlsi6zpfYPTGXH1yP8ggcvxMPRZDSG777mFT3x5YvWJyEX1HSZvAVbJlR9 gtmENZCX2L1dri18QpESF2OGmzuiC/Rr+oHZa7/c86hwzY2SWL8QY1GBlQfKzLi18uK5 xhxaYEiTaGbK/H/SzoiCR4YfEsG1tAPpxAuspQP5SAZ1A0O1CzanCpbg4h9VhT3ouKMU 1qfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.136.40 with SMTP id px8mr24931458pbb.153.1347922967345; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.36.106 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk> <20120917120626.51369945@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:02:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _9iebNXjnGe6F45LW7ur64ySpYE Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Zhihao Yuan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:02:48 -0000 On 17 September 2012 10:53, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > >From a programmer's point of view, GUI is a protocol, a graphical > language. It's true. But users don't care. Users don't care how their > graphical commands are being implemented. > > Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope people can agree with > this: a default, officially supported modern desktop environment is > essential to FreeBSD. Hi, Ignoring the ridiculous levels this particular little trip has taken - I suggest speaking to the PCBSD peeps and choose a toolkit that's common with what they're either using or going to use. Then, go ahead and do it. Create some inertia and pull others into doing it. Adrian