From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Nov 15 22:51:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70D2110CB14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic305-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic305-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F1D9839CE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: ShanDxoVM1kDatrFUBM0A5.JKA1ndCZCkHDQ.CfoM0rJaUmg32vDHNStDJPp2j5 wzTJ1GJme0kaAefmr6oAYcUItveHTniusTAgbHEDt1fIHXxO4qKozw90e7pXsNVMEE9MksD8UTFd ujIgh835MwQSzJah5c6NcEMKfMPjRX6FX5kJjGoEJZrHZz3B9KRuQAkDUDi4VJjoY2UHTVnozhK8 y.lZrGZe_.Kt50VOvHdinWo4NfYs3A.RMaMZd2YovqAMbI4FJO5PVE1DVWwhbFPX10UhlHF9HpP7 uoQT2fuoYJl3fQJwMx2XWi35A2BMK9rObQR.M36ngFqZPZwHPU0Dfd_uoBfEdBScwzVmdxIZVOVx WofD_SCj0pVdGkpjHSw3MDeTZ4dgI53wDbubECdvbLtJAekRQLot0_XZ2WzIIiV2zabTdtww.gQe px.ehqZqzgiRSVbdn8UPFdRJOb4.a3kzWz4PLDxNYKgwIe0w6PiBtenwqOPSLmE17jqfAICpq0OY iF0HIKVF63ep14dn33RA.gsUM6J0Mu5F4HEChqy83lQETCIquI6qONetWXrDnbYbaq0__CW5pRME ti.8d1AmaPnRnPpN.sc4cdVzVA1PN7w8x_gG32S3wNMFIpjG.cBK2a_sanRVZrwfvJRNLU.fbBFR UeX1IhQ3xcc80yR06oqrzxaVL8n3J7kyJuYdxaJz5MLTft1EbJ90h0bUT3CvnAGGoeOEa0bJAyi_ m9FNGRfdFTtVqjjiN9V1JtQsakmk9AmvLc.a1KnPHCDF4iho_HepbB4pmDUvtLO9MFZrAAh01.K8 Nr3fwP3gK9sYPriFPte8cuN_Z3.Y72h8UGFeAmLIJadl0OulgLM_rGKTv408C0LDL4C7jJTmzuFZ kKPIEZZMeNnwhf2uHeb5ey61aeywaZQ2VjnTV5rVSN.sKFh4_xihgry86JPEB1SEwxLIH1PdHE7D GtMyK0AiRTyDi0r5_rrCiz5Z6gEbSr1WKM_pabx2eVmz5dJfH0KGxYjV7vv16zQYagovcNtaBCp6 rIXhNsbnJrbcqtU_v2CtA5CrVX3msKQlZdE7PkqJcOUqhb_EOnj5YOLAP5qLSLMdxvtv6EiEJ.eY PximPaLA4C8G2 Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:51:10 +0000 Received: from c-76-115-7-162.hsd1.or.comcast.net (EHLO [192.168.1.25]) ([76.115.7.162]) by smtp432.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f9229da127d0ee9471a59bece46adf20; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.1 \(3445.101.1\)) Subject: Re: The PowerMac G5 internal hard disk SATA question From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <60a561b1-23c0-7181-05a5-609008b1f06e@blastwave.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:40:57 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <157b8bec-f5f6-08ba-cc2e-a58dc42894c5@blastwave.org> <20181115104303.631cb9d8@ralga.knownspace> <60a561b1-23c0-7181-05a5-609008b1f06e@blastwave.org> To: Dennis Clarke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.101.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1F1D9839CE X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.01 / 40.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.758,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.010,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[84.64.137.98.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[ipnet: 98.137.64.0/21(0.72), asn: 36647(0.58), country: US(-0.10)]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:51:18 -0000 On 2018-Nov-15, at 13:07, Dennis Clarke = wrote: > On 11/15/18 11:43 AM, Justin Hibbits wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:18:43 -0500 >> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>> Someone (offlist) asked if my shiney new Seagate hard disk was >>> compatible with SATA-I and I wouldn't know. I have had various types >>> of hard disks in this thing and also some SSD types. Nothing is very >>> fast and all of them worked. >>>=20 >>> Not sure if anyone else has tried to attach a new Samsung EVO SSD >>> onto an old PowerMac G5 but I would be interested to hear the >>> results. In the mean while I will figure out how to fully backup the >>> contents of my old Apple branded Hitachi Deskstar HDS725050KLA360 >>> 500GB disk which has a very stable Debian sid PPC64 image on it. I >>> figure dd will do the trick. >>>=20 >>> If there is a way to install FreeBSD from a USB stick onto a = PowerMac >>> G5 well I'd love to hear from someone about the OpenFirmware magic >>> needed. Thus far using a PC keyboard and a Vulkan nerve pinch >>> CTRL+O+F does not get me to the openfirmware prompt. It has been a >>> while since I tried and it may need a six fingered vulkan hand to do >>> CTRL+SHIFT+O+F to work. >>>=20 >>> Then boot ud:,\\:tbxi ??? >>>=20 >>> Dennis >> Hi Dennis, >> My experience with the Samsung EVO drives on PowerMac G5 is they only >> seem to work on the second (bottom) SATA interface. I have yet to >> figure out why, but both my 840EVO and 850EVO behaved that way. It >> works more or less fine there. Sometimes my G5 would forget about it >> at boot, and I'd have to power cycle in order for it to recognize the >> drive again. It never once worked in the 'primary' slot. >=20 > OKay this is helpful ! Thank you. I thought I was losing my mind ( = what > there is to lose ) in that I was getting weird behavior from my disks = or > ssds in these old boats. Could just be bizarre Apple hardware. >=20 > I think what I shall do is boot ye old original Apple label Hitach = disk and then do a backup to an external USB attached brick. That way I = have > all my Debian sid ppc64 work saved away. Maybe I will fire up another = G5 > brick but those damn things really put a drain on the UPS for what = they > do. Perhaps QEMU will be okay for my Debian sid ppc64 work. Regardless = I > have greater interest in FreeBSD UNIX and I realyl would like to have = at > least two or three risc machines running. Namely RISC-V and PPC64 and = a > SPARC unit for local flavour. I have a ton of SPARC laying about. Also = a > metric ton of PA-Risc HP Superdome gear in my life. However that is a > whole other story and only Helge Deller could make those work. >=20 > So anyways ... I will try with the original Apple part disk in the > correct slot and then there are no excuses. Were I long-ago got the SSDs that I use in the PowerMac G5s used to list compatibility extensively, case by case, for they're products vs. direct use in various Apple systems. But it had an interesting summary after looking through the information for G5's (from memory): asynchronous NAND: compatibile synchronous NAND: problematical/incompatible All the SSDs that I use in the G5's are based on asynchronous NAND. At this point, they are all old. That company no longer sell SSDs that they classify as compatible with PowerMac G5's. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)