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Subject: Re: Update for 14.3 when it is out of date - not pretty
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 18:58:06 -0700
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You mean this warning?

```
Completing this upgrade requires removing old shared object files.
Please rebuild all installed 3rd party software (e.g., programs
installed from the ports tree) and then run
'`basename $0` [options] install' again to finish installing updates.
```

This is sort of a bad warning because most people aren't using ports =
these days, and what it really wants you to do is:

pkg upgrade

It shouldn't say "rebuild".  It's a bug, and I'd complain, if =
freebsd-update's days weren't Very Numbered.

What's going on:

Most often, binary upgrades are still compatible with the old releases, =
so (for example) sshd will start in a space where you have a 14.4 kernel =
and a 14.3 userland, but at some point, programs in /usr/local/bin that =
were built and compiled for things in /lib and /usr/lib (etc) have old =
version numbers, so on the next reboot, those things won't work.  The =
update process leaves the "vestigial" shared libraries in place so =
things don't crash, until the third "freebsd-update install" at which =
point it rm's everything that would have been i n $oldversion but not =
$currentversion.

Hope this helps,

-Dan


> On May 21, 2026, at 6:32=E2=80=AFPM, Mike <the.lists@mgm51.com> wrote:
>=20
> /usr/sbin/freebsd-update


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<html aria-label=3D"message body"><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" =
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
line-break: after-white-space;">You mean this =
warning?<div><br></div><div>```</div><div><div>Completing this upgrade =
requires removing old shared object files.</div><div>Please rebuild all =
installed 3rd party software (e.g., programs</div><div>installed from =
the ports tree) and then run</div><div>'`basename $0` [options] install' =
again to finish installing =
updates.</div><div>```</div><div><br></div><div>This is sort of a bad =
warning because most people aren't using ports these days, and what it =
really wants you to do is:</div><div><br></div><div>pkg =
upgrade</div><div><br></div><div>It shouldn't say "rebuild". &nbsp;It's =
a bug, and I'd complain, if freebsd-update's days weren't Very =
Numbered.</div><div><br></div><div>What's going =
on:</div><div><br></div><div>Most often, binary upgrades are still =
compatible with the old releases, so (for example) sshd will start in a =
space where you have a 14.4 kernel and a 14.3 userland, but at some =
point, programs in /usr/local/bin that were built and compiled for =
things in /lib and /usr/lib (etc) have old version numbers, so on the =
next reboot, those things won't work. &nbsp;The update process leaves =
the "vestigial" shared libraries in place so things don't crash, until =
the third "freebsd-update install" at which point it rm's everything =
that would have been i n $oldversion but not =
$currentversion.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this =
helps,</div><div><br></div><div>-Dan</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div>On May 21, 2026, at 6:32=E2=80=AFPM, Mike =
&lt;the.lists@mgm51.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline =
!important;">/usr/sbin/freebsd-update</span></div></blockquote></div><br><=
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