From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 13:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1537D16A4A0 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE1243D76 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:59:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp228-73.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net [203.122.228.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8CDwaaZ064527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:28:37 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:28:35 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <45066E19.2040405@kuehlbox.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1273612.mW7mACUaMD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200609122328.36605.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.291 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Christian Laursen Subject: Re: gjournal and Softupdates X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:59:21 -0000 --nextPart1273612.mW7mACUaMD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 12 September 2006 19:34, Christian Laursen wrote: > Ivan Voras writes: > > - todays desktop drives can lie about writing data. SoftUpdates relies > > on some assumptions about when the data is physically written to > > media, and those are not always valid today > > I think journaling relies on the same assumptions. You can disable write caching on your disks (most even honour it :) however= a=20 lot of people choke at the performance hit.. One big problem is that high capacity disks use track writing - if you modi= fy=20 a single sector the disk re-writes the whole track. If the power fails during the track write then you lose potentially complet= ely=20 unrelated data. This affects all file systems equally though. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart1273612.mW7mACUaMD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFBr0M5ZPcIHs/zowRAmpJAJ9pz20mKs49Pg8L4H5rpFUXd2AA6ACdEKKe mnce7A0RRAwbLfbRPcSKCds= =gPc3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1273612.mW7mACUaMD--