From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 5 08:02:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5572316A4CE for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.adelphia.net (mta7.adelphia.net [68.168.78.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FC443F75 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([68.68.113.33]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031205153250.SKND14499.mta13.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3FD0A522.2000502@potentialtech.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:32:50 -0500 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <3FCF887E.7562.4A7C8BE3@localhost> <20031205150152.GM63350@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts fraud X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:02:19 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > >>To their credit, absolutely nothing, as far as I'm concerned. This is >>an outright abuse, and if I were you I'd lodge a complaint with ICANN to >>get the domain transferred to you. > > The side has been taken down, so it's hard to prove any wrong-doing. > If the perps decide to fight the charges, it'll be Dan's word against > theirs. The fact that Dan has had freshports.org for two and a half > years while freshports.net was only registered two weeks ago would > certainly help Dan's case, but I'm not sure that it would be enough. > The complaints also cost money. > > A fraud suit backed with evidence from from PayPal might work, except > the perps are in Sweden, so the cost of litigation would be truly > horrendous, and it might turn out to be nearly impossible for a > Swedish court to subpoena evidence from PayPal. > > The only practical recourse is for people who have actually donated > money to file a complaint with PayPal. From what I've heard, PayPal > generally (and summarily) sides with the donor in cases like this. > That policy can spell real trouble for the recipient if the complaints > are false, but in this case it works to Dan's advantage. Donors would > get their money back, and the perps would lose their PayPal account, > but not much else would happen. Almost makes me wish I had donated money, so I could help out by complaining! -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com