From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 17:34:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC6337B401; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A6543FE1; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4C0VAZ02020; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:31:10 -0700 Received: from btc.adaptec.com ([10.100.0.149]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01508; Sun, 11 May 2003 17:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EBEEC09.60505@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:34:17 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <20030511151529.K13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030511232220.GA66670@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030511162527.B13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg> In-Reply-To: <20030511162527.B13689@znfgre.qbhto.arg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall non-USB mouse dialog confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:34:52 -0000 Doug Barton wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2003, David O'Brien wrote: > > >>On Sun, May 11, 2003 at 03:22:00PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> >>>Since I think the pendulum has swung over towards USB mice being the >>>majority, I think a better flow for this would be something like: >> >>I don't argue that the double negative is confusing. > > > Cool, we agree on that much. :) > > >>I don't think you can claim any pendulum shifting yet. Looking around my >>home office and a large 200 person area at work; USB mice are still an >>order of magnitude less prevalent (except with laptops). I don't think >>you can use such an argument for swaying things that way. > > > Well, I would disagree that USB mice aren't much more common nowadays, but > the other line of reasoning that I neglected to make explicity in my post > is that OTHER usb devices are becoming much more common as well, and there > is not currently an "enable usb support" dialog in sysinstall other than > the very confusing one for mice. Therefore, I think the more generalized > wording below is more suitable. > FWIW, the latest set of Intel server motherboards have no ps/2 connectors at all. There is definitely an effort underway to swing the pendulum. > >>>Enable USB support for mice, and other USB devices? [Yes] No >>>Enable support for a PS/2 (non-USB) mouse? Yes [No] >> >>The defaults should be "No" for both. The pre-USB mouse default of "no" >>was most likely with servers in mind. I don't see any more servers >>having USB mice than had PS/2 mice. > > > I don't think sysinstall is generally used for most server installations, > however I'm willing to compromise on the defaults if others think the same > way. > > Doug > How about a compromise? Change "Do you have a non-USB mouse attached" to "Do you have a USB mouse attached". Leaving the default answer to 'no' means that users that don't read well get dumped into the moused dialog, which is probably ok. Dunno. Scott