From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 14 3:16:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCD837B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02C643EB2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet6 id g9EAGq337050; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:16:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: Carl Schmidt In-Reply-To: <20021014043821.GC24069@carbon.slackerbsd.org> References: <20021014032931.GB23539@carbon.slackerbsd.org> <20021014124541A.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <20021014043821.GC24069@carbon.slackerbsd.org> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (bamboo) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 47 From: Makoto Matsushita To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Old port recompiles needed (Re: Unknown symbol "__sF") Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:16:47 +0900 Message-Id: <20021014191647A.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG carl> I fail to see how a reduction of hours (even just one) is carl> insignificant to someone on a dial-up connection. Time is money carl> for some people; even a meager three hours. Don't you think "30+ hours of time to fetch an ISO image" is _not_ wasting of money? carl> Again, I fail to see how a reduction in download time for -anyone- is carl> insignificant. Can you explain how I am missing the point? These ISO images are build everyday. That means, after 24 hours have past, new ISO image are available. Yes, compressing images help less downloading time and it'll be helpful for someone. However, - For xDSL and/or optical line users, reducing time is maybe less than hours. It can be considered as a range of error. - For slow analog modem users, reducing time is about several hours. However, they still have to spend more than 1 day to fetch. It can be also considered as a range of error. so I think there are small number of peoples who get lots of merits by compressed ISO images. The costs of compressing images is small, but not zero. Somebody already argues to me that "hey, please stop compressing ISO images. You should know that it costs several minutes/hours to make available images for the public." Providing both compressing and uncompressing images are hard to accomplish due to the disk spaces. *** carl> I think it would be better to focus on whether or not the carl> snapshot machine can even handle such a task, and, more carl> importantly, whether the administrator even wants to do it. I have 'buildadm@jp.FreeBSD.org' hat on my head. I don't say "I hate to compress ISO images." However, I think there is very few merits for compressing images. There are many tasks for providing whole services; if it can be avoidable task, I would like not to do. Your requests are very valuable suggestion for me, but at this time, please wait it until I can get more CPU time and disk spaces (but I don't know when it comes true.) -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message