From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun May 5 13:37:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5635C158B61F for ; Sun, 5 May 2019 13:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [72.12.213.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120589383A for ; Sun, 5 May 2019 13:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (gate.mhix.org [203.206.128.220]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0PR100AF3AI7X120@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 May 2019 06:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS... To: Pete French , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <3d0f6436-f3d7-6fee-ed81-a24d44223f2f@netfence.it> <17B373DA-4AFC-4D25-B776-0D0DED98B320@sorbs.net> <70fac2fe3f23f85dd442d93ffea368e1@ultra-secure.de> <70C87D93-D1F9-458E-9723-19F9777E6F12@sorbs.net> <58DA896C-5312-47BC-8887-7680941A9AF2@sarenet.es> <62803130-9C40-4A98-B5A4-A2DFAC0FAD65@sorbs.net> <20190503125118.GA11226@neutralgood.org> <2A7B5457-371A-4014-8C1E-972BA2FD10DF@sorbs.net> <7b9ce013-e50c-7cfc-f5c1-c829855f8ee2@ingresso.co.uk> <0D6CF718-2D40-4457-ADAB-CC17B52124AA@sorbs.net> <28BE9C83-FA53-4856-9176-52A6CB113641@sorbs.net> From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: <977d19fe-d60e-1bf6-cf4f-cabe816449bc@sorbs.net> Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 23:37:44 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 In-reply-to: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 120589383A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michelle@sorbs.net designates 72.12.213.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michelle@sorbs.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:hades.sorbs.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sorbs.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: battlestar.sorbs.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.213.12.72.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.45)[6]; IP_SCORE(-0.40)[ip: (-1.00), ipnet: 72.12.192.0/19(-0.51), asn: 11114(-0.40), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11114, ipnet:72.12.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 13:37:50 -0000 Pete French wrote: > > > On 05/05/2019 04:06, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > >> Which I find interesting in itself as I have a machine running 9.3 >> which started life as a 5.x (which tells you how old it is) and it’s >> still running on the same *compaq* raid5 with UFS on it... with the >> original drives, with a hot spare that still hasn’t been used... and >> the only thing done to it hardware wise is I replaced the motherboard >> 12 months ago as it just stopped POSTing and couldn’t work out what >> failed...never had a drive corruption barring the fscks following >> hard power issues... it went with me from Brisbane to Canberra, back >> to Brisbane by back of car, then to Malta, back from Malta and is >> still downstairs... it’s my primary MX server and primary resolver >> for home and handles around 5k email per day.. > > Heh, Ok, thats cool :-) Some of my old HP RAID systems started life as > Compaq ones - you never installed the firmware update which simply > changed the name it printed on boot then ? Umm, does it change the big startup "COMPAQ" graphic? If not then dunno... if it does... nope :) > > My personal server with the dead battery has been going at least 12 > years. Had to replace the drives (and HP SAS drives are still silly > prices sadly), one of the onboard ether ports has died, but otherwise > still going strong. IIRC i've put 3 new clock batteries in over the years... and it's all SCSI... 18GB (no SAS on the machine) :P ... (in fact, 32bit and not capable of driving a SAS card - unless you can get PCI or ISA SAS cards :P ) > > Not had the long distance travel of yours though. I did ship some > machines to Jersey once, but boat, and all the drives which had been > on the crossing failed one by one within a few months of arriving. > Makes me wonder how rough the sea that crossing actually was. The biggest issue I had was the idiots who unloaded the container at Customs.. not saying much except they loaded it backwards (literally) ... a 3KVA ups (with batteries in it) was put at the top and by the time it got from Botany to me it had made its way to the bottom... > Those were in a Compaq RAID pedestal too. After that I shipped > machines, but took the drives in my hand luggage on planes always. > Actiually, not sure they would let me do that these days, havent > triued in years. > Good question. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/