From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Thu May 24 14:30:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7B9EF31AE for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound1b.ore.mailhop.org (outbound1b.ore.mailhop.org [54.200.247.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C316EA07 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 14:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: f943b06a-5f5e-11e8-8837-614b7c574d04 X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound1.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id f943b06a-5f5e-11e8-8837-614b7c574d04; Thu, 24 May 2018 14:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w4OEUEog004176; Thu, 24 May 2018 08:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1527172214.32688.123.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/tools tools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share From: Ian Lepore To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 08:30:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5B05B419.2070709@grosbein.net> References: <201805231814.w4NIExZ9036362@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <5B05B419.2070709@grosbein.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:30:29 -0000 On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 01:34 +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 24.05.2018 1:14, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > > > > > > > If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the kernel, > > > > can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the kernel? > > > Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over.  Not everyone > > > replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks. > > And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap, > > and serves our needs just fine.   Even 8 year old servers > > make usable machines today. > My home router runs 11.1-STABLE/i386 using PC-104 form factor system from the year 2007 > having AMD Geode processor not capable of 64 bit mode, RAM maxed at 1GB (2x512MB DIMMs), > UDMA100 IDE/PATA controller and two 100Mbit vr(4) vlan-capable network interfaces. > > It can route/nat PPPoE connection at 100M wire speed, performs IPSEC at 33Mbit/s using > cryptodev/onboard AES accelerator while acting as WiFi access point same time > using multi-AP capable AR5212 ath(4) miniPCI (not miniPCI-E) card. > > And I love FreeBSD for that. > > At $work we still build and ship some products using industrial SBCs similar to what you describe (32-bit Geode processor and vr(4) network driver). That hardware is still available today (and not just on ebay). I think there's a big difference between removing an old driver because the hardware it supports was a marketplace failure and almost no units exist in the wild, and removing old drivers just because they're old. -- Ian