From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 6 21:51:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B85914CA8 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02257; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: brian@pobox.com Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Marketing FreeBSD / FreeBSD as a pr In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:48:44 PDT." <19990807004844.28425.rocketmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: <2253.934001491@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If the advocacy team wants to work on turning the FreeBSD > 4.0-RELEASE release into a major event, I'll contribute articles > on how it's helped me develop for the Nintendo 64, foot the bill > to enlist a couple artists' help in producing a nice cover and > help strategize a nice PR maneuver to coincide with release. I > *strongly* believe in FreeBSD, and I'll do what I can to help it > along. That's a fine idea, though there's nothing to stop you from contributing articles now of course - don't wait for 4.0 to start being an advocate. I've also said many times that anyone with better artwork to suggest need only step forward with said artwork and I'd be more than happy to consider it - where do you think the original "daemon walking out of a CD" artwork came from? I've also since spent around $1500 commissioning various bits of artwork which nobody seems to like, so if people really have a jones to see new artwork they're going to have to start drawing it and sending it in because I'm tired of throwing money away. > But first TPTB need to accept that marketing and presentation > are every bit as important as anything else in realizing broad > distribution. Even breaking in media takes something that looks Of course we realize that, we're not idiots. However, I fail to see how your original comments attacking the daemon constitute a "positive contribution" to changing this. > I can't be helpful if someone as visible as Jordan is going to > call this a proxy issue or accuse me of selecting this because > it's a fluff task. I'm not going out of my way to move my Compared to all the more urgent tasks we have sitting on our plates, it *is* a proxy issue and I can't help it if you're resistant to having the realities of the situation pointed out to you. I also clearly have to restate my position here since it seems to have become lost in the shuffle: I don't object to new concepts in packaging or artwork, what I object to are suggestions that the daemon mascot suddenly needs to go without any better ideas for his replacement being advanced at the same time, or even ideas (and the artwork) for better presentation of the daemon in general. It seems that about once a year, somebody suggests that the little guy isn't serious enough, or that using him condones devil-worship, or any number of other comments of a singularly useless nature. Is it any wonder that I see this discussion as something of a waste of time? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message