From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:03:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8825A81E9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqP3nVCzDv3Q for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616353409; bh=843HZxL7PbEyLCpzlsr8KRlJcXxAN42bjERCKVc7ocI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KBX5V0AWTp/d3vKg3cl7FFko/WrrraUU4DVobbAX3AcrWxeNOXuxm5yQqj6yTNuQD jHxD78vREkRHIlu8eS4B9rJk1RVqjdSiehRMfU/cxMgPH6/0+aVAkfb2AgKrztrvdK qUcys8pki0jvQM5DFuy4fFV7KsWBEIrZEddM0r/s= X-Riseup-User-ID: BE7760F5FB9F9E08ADCFC0C0F4A1A421A92FBF41C1AAA2633F483CA44841EB25 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3RqN6gPHz1yBB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:03:28 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KBX5V0AW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: >It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire >alarm. Analogies are clumsy. You are right that a workaround isn't an optimal solution, it's just a limited path to get things done, but OTOH it probably is a help to continue using your machine, without the need of any additional struggle. Since Intel doesn't support almost all GPUs for Linux usage anymore and the only workarounds are using mainline Linux kernels by dropping the "intel" driver in favour of the "modesetting" driver, just to run into other issue, or to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, I decided to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, as long as possible. >sooner or later it will blow up in your face. Maybe, OTOH the situation might change. I might need to buy new hardware anyway, Intel and/or the Linux community might support my GPU again or I even don't want to use Linux at all, even if it should work without issues on my machine. IIUC you need USB ports for 2 input devices at this very moment and if you disable USB3, you still would get the needed USB ports. This is a starting point, since IIUC it's possible to install a new release of FreeBSD by turning of the fire siren and to build your individual configured kernel, by abandoning something that isn't a must-have at this very moment. The fire won't kill you or even take away something you currently need. If you should need an additional USB port, a workaround such as using an USB hub likely does the job, at least as a temporarily solution.