Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:43:41 +0000 From: Javi Hotmail <volkovdablo@hotmail.com> To: =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9fane?= <stefane@riseup.net>, ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the project. Message-ID: <DB7P193MB0284DAA4CAA67A2833904BD5AC2C2@DB7P193MB0284.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> In-Reply-To: <8297c3c2-5807-46c8-85dc-135c8c228455@riseup.net> References: <CA%2BWntOvMZUXmia9H8AGDBvPGzbKJ21y-7ej_4ynoR8PFSz=M6A@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2BWntOthUNAsgO02hC_JEacGmQR04r1hy74iu1ogZCwH8N-xqg@mail.gmail.com> <8297c3c2-5807-46c8-85dc-135c8c228455@riseup.net>
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--------------mffWfY95jVHulwHZHntrJW1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Regarding your Xorg question on FBSD, I do not believe there is anything special you have to do Stéfane,following the FreeBSD handbook (link here) <https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/>; should provide you a X11 subsystem "pretty easily". The only difference is that you probably cannot use pkg, and you'll require to build the packages using ports instead. Regarding Joe Nosay questions: - The maximum amount of RAM that you can install on a given PPC machine is limited by the machine itself. I don't know any case where FBSD was the limiting factor. So in the case of my late 2005 G5 for example, the limit is 16GB, which is exactly the maximum amount that the system supports. On this link <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html>; you'll be able to find your mac specs ;). Now, regarding braille devices, I'm not an expert at all, but if you manage (in a kind and respectful manner) to get some traction, perhaps some people will jump in and help. One interesting thing would be if you can provide some reference devices that are well supported on Linux for example (and have opensource drivers). Maybe we can work our way from there :). Javi. On 19/03/2024 07:25, Stéfane wrote: > > Hello > > I'm not a top person concerning FreeBSD on PPC. > However, I've tried successfully installing FeeBSD on an old PPC Mac > except the XWindow interface. > If someone knows the way to install the XWindow on the FreeBSD, I'll > be deeply grateful. > > Stéfane http://sparis.free.fr/ > > Le 18/03/2024 à 19:30, Joe Nosay a écrit : >> Researching, I have come upon information that the iSight will hold a >> maximum of 4.5 GB RAM while the other iMac G5 >> is limited at 2GB RAM. >> Brltty needs to have ./autogen ran first. >> cat configure|more >> I do not understand the mindset of this community at times. >> I am very certain that the Americans with Disabilities Act and the >> visually impaired community would gladly - and there is information on >> the forums - work again - notice the word "again" because they have >> asked multiple times in the past - with the FreeBSD community. >> I am not blind; yet, it seems to make more sense in the FreeBSD >> community to set up NetFlix while ignoring millions of people who >> would benefit from FreeBSD working with braille devices. >> Before any of you reply with sarcasm or excuses- >> I need neurosurgery. >> It is a shame that someone in bad health as myself is the only one >> willing to work on this. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 9:28 AM Joe Nosay <superbisquit@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have two iMac G5s: one single core with 2G RAM, the other dual >> core with 512M RAM. >> What is the maximum RAM that each will be able to use under FreeBSD? >> The project will be brltty on PPC64 and others that use a bootloader. >> PPC64 will be the initial setup. >> I have read through the config/configure file of the brltty >> source code. >> The open firmware references in the FreeBSD PPC64 were also read. >> Before I restart on the project, here is the basic information: >> Brltty configure will need to be rewritten to include the open >> firmware references. >> I have never used the FreeBSD version of the device tree >> referenced to >> as the "flattened device tree." The only use/ reference/ >> experience was >> directly accessing open firmware from the forth prompt. >> Currently, I have no braille devices here due to an extremely limited >> income. I'm going to do a port build and not a package setup of both >> computers. More RAM will need to be purchased Because the >> computers are at someone else's place and that I need to purchase >> my own mobile dedicated network along with wireless dongles, this may >> take some time. >> I will inform you (pl) again when the next step or so is done. >> --------------mffWfY95jVHulwHZHntrJW1A Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE html><html><head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Hello,</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Regarding your Xorg question on FBSD, I do not believe there is anything special you have to do Stéfane,following the <a href="https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/">FreeBSD handbook (link here)</a> should provide you a X11 subsystem "pretty easily". The only difference is that you probably cannot use pkg, and you'll require to build the packages using ports instead.</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br> </font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Regarding Joe Nosay questions:</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">- The maximum amount of RAM that you can install on a given PPC machine is limited by the machine itself. I don't know any case where FBSD was the limiting factor. So in the case of my late 2005 G5 for example, the limit is 16GB, which is exactly the maximum amount that the system supports.</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">On <a href="https://everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html">this link</a> you'll be able to find your mac specs ;).</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Now, regarding braille devices, I'm not an expert at all, but if you manage (in a kind and respectful manner) to get some traction, perhaps some people will jump in and help.</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">One interesting thing would be if you can provide some reference devices that are well supported on Linux for example (and have opensource drivers). Maybe we can work our way from there :).</font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br> </font></p> <p><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Javi.<br> </font></p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/03/2024 07:25, Stéfane wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:8297c3c2-5807-46c8-85dc-135c8c228455@riseup.net"> <p>Hello</p> I'm not a top person concerning FreeBSD on PPC.<br> However, I've tried successfully installing FeeBSD on an old PPC Mac except the XWindow interface.<br> If someone knows the way to install the XWindow on the FreeBSD, I'll be deeply grateful. <p>Stéfane <a href="http://sparis.free.fr/" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">http://sparis.free.fr/</a></p>; <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 18/03/2024 à 19:30, Joe Nosay a écrit :<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CA+WntOthUNAsgO02hC_JEacGmQR04r1hy74iu1ogZCwH8N-xqg@mail.gmail.com"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Researching, I have come upon information that the iSight will hold a maximum of 4.5 GB RAM while the other iMac G5 <br> </div> <div>is limited at 2GB RAM.</div> <div>Brltty needs to have ./autogen ran first.</div> <div>cat configure|more</div> <div>I do not understand the mindset of this community at times.</div> <div>I am very certain that the Americans with Disabilities Act and the visually impaired community would gladly - and there is information on</div> <div>the forums - work again - notice the word "again" because they have asked multiple times in the past - with the FreeBSD community.</div> <div>I am not blind; yet, it seems to make more sense in the FreeBSD community to set up NetFlix while ignoring millions of people who would benefit from FreeBSD working with braille devices.</div> <div>Before any of you reply with sarcasm or excuses-</div> <div>I need neurosurgery.</div> <div>It is a shame that someone in bad health as myself is the only one willing to work on this.</div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 9:28 AM Joe Nosay <<a href="mailto:superbisquit@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">superbisquit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr">I have two iMac G5s: one single core with 2G RAM, the other dual core with 512M RAM. <div>What is the maximum RAM that each will be able to use under FreeBSD?</div> <div>The project will be brltty on PPC64 and others that use a bootloader.</div> <div>PPC64 will be the initial setup.</div> <div>I have read through the config/configure file of the brltty source code.</div> <div>The open firmware references in the FreeBSD PPC64 were also read.</div> <div>Before I restart on the project, here is the basic information:</div> <div>Brltty configure will need to be rewritten to include the open firmware references.</div> <div>I have never used the FreeBSD version of the device tree referenced to </div> <div>as the "flattened device tree." The only use/ reference/ experience was</div> <div>directly accessing open firmware from the forth prompt.</div> <div>Currently, I have no braille devices here due to an extremely limited</div> <div>income. I'm going to do a port build and not a package setup of both</div> <div>computers. More RAM will need to be purchased Because the </div> <div>computers are at someone else's place and that I need to purchase </div> <div>my own mobile dedicated network along with wireless dongles, this may</div> <div>take some time. </div> <div>I will inform you (pl) again when the next step or so is done.</div> <div><br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------mffWfY95jVHulwHZHntrJW1A--
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