From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 4 18:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07551 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.axess.com (root@mail.axess.com [204.19.206.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07546 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ppawel@axess.com) Received: from my.domain (ppp-68.axess.com [204.19.207.68]) by mail.axess.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id WAA14766 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:00:37 -0400 Received: (from ppawel@localhost) by my.domain (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00366; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:42:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ppawel) Message-ID: <19980704214244.B317@axess.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:42:44 -0400 From: "Peter D. Pawelek" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top Ten (here's mine...) References: <19980704000007.20605@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980704173945.007f1d30@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980704173945.007f1d30@mx.serv.net>; from Tim Gerchmez on Sat, Jul 04, 1998 at 05:39:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Tim Gerchmez (fewtch@serv.net): > purposely didn't include my X client of choice (Fvwm2) since everyone has > the option of choosing their favorite and that's part of the fun. I really > can't think of anything though for a newbie *WITHOUT* x. Why would a > newbie want to run BSD without X, anyway? They most likely won't be doing > much programming, so what are they going to do with their system? Using X > utilities like ftptool is *SO* much easier than typing "ftp" on the command > line... > Actually, I spend most of my time at the console. Besides using vim for programming, I prefer using slrn/mutt/lynx for most of my Internet activities. Although I've got nothing against X, sometimes I just want to cut to the chase and not put up with the bloat that comes with it; I've got 64MB of RAM and it's depressing to do a 'top' whilst in X and see that most of my RAM has been gobbled up before even starting up an app like Netscape (which takes about 5-10 seconds to load on my P133). Having multiple xterms and a big virtual desktop is the nice thing about X. But, when I use it I prefer to use a minimal window manager like wm2 (check it out...a tiny little C++ program that occupies very little system real estate). In the end, however, I con- sider X to be an enormously unnecessary for my purposes. Of course, I would not be so presumptuous as to dissuade a newbie from using X, nor would I encourage him/her. Everyone has different needs and interests. The best thing about FreeBSD (and Linux) is that it is able to accomodate just about every taste and preference imagin- able. And the best thing for a newbie is to explore and try out as much as possible to see what floats his/her boat. Peter Pawelek (ppawel@axess.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message