From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 8 16:32:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89ED816A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:32:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from VARK.homeunix.com (adsl-69-107-108-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.108.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B1043D4C for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:32:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from VARK.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VARK.homeunix.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i68GWpMu008972; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by VARK.homeunix.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id i68GWpFh008971; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:32:51 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Wilko Bulte Message-ID: <20040708163251.GA8862@VARK.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Wilko Bulte , Avleen Vig , Daniel Ellard , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20040706120130.3DF9816A57D@hub.freebsd.org> <40EB9A46.2050409@trio.plala.or.jp> <20040708034845.GA59801@VARK.homeunix.com> <20040708033741.E28518@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu> <20040708082304.GE5238@silverwraith.com> <20040708133951.GA67667@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040708133951.GA67667@freebie.xs4all.nl> cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Daniel Ellard Subject: Re: Article on Sun's DTrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:32:59 -0000 On Thu, Jul 08, 2004, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 01:23:04AM -0700, Avleen Vig wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 03:46:24AM -0400, Daniel Ellard wrote: > > > I don't doubt that DTrace took a long time to do. However, in most > > > projects the design phase consumes a lot of time, and it is often the > > > case that unforeseen problems or changes in the feature set cost the > > > developers a lot of time. So while it might have taken six years to > > > write DTrace the first time, I suspect it would take a fraction of > > > that time to re-implement. (It certainly might be longer than "a few > > > months" and I'm not going to quibble. We won't know the precise > > > number until someone does the port.) > > > > They said "6 staff-years". This means if they have 6 people working on > > it full time, it took 1 year to complete. If they had 60 people full > > time, it took just over 5 weeks (technically, i doubt that would work > > practically). > > It works about as well as having 3 women deliver a baby in 3 months. ;-) See also Fred Brooks' book _The_Mythical_Man-Month_. But if you *do* happen to know 60 good programmers who are willing to work on FreeBSD full time for very little money, let me know and I'll see what I can do about that baby thing.