From owner-freebsd-security Thu Jul 13 18:50:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mail.theinternet.com.au (zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBB037BB0A; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@mail.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mail.theinternet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA73346; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:47:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <200007140147.LAA73346@mail.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: Displacement of Blame[tm] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000713191253.04ba03e0@localhost> from Brett Glass at "Jul 13, 2000 07:15:20 pm" To: Brett Glass Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:47:28 +1000 (EST) Cc: Jan Koum , security@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh , Kris Kennaway X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +----[ Brett Glass ]--------------------------------------------- | At 05:16 PM 7/13/2000, Jan Koum wrote: | | >i have to agree with jkh here. my mail box is not shrinking and if people | >are dumb enough not to make a distinction between freebsd kernel and | >xjigsaw port, nothing we do will help them. not even sending them a 6 pack | >of clue with fedex overnight express delivery. | | Let's be fair. They're not idiots, and I think we can help them (and ourselves) | at least a little. At the very least, we should make sure that people who | try to count bugs automatically by monitoring Bugtraq posts do not attribute | bugs in ported software to FreeBSD. If they're not idiots then the distinction between FreeBSD and third party products should be obvious. I see little value in simply counting bugs, for countings sake. There are other people more qualified to do that, because they can make the distinction that your 'clients' obviously cannot, or cannot be bothered to. If on the other hand they are monitoring the bugs because they want to do something about them, they should actually be reading the content. Perhaps they should take the time to understand what they're monitoring, or you should take the time to explain it to them, since you subscribed them to BugTRAQ in the first place. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message