From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 3 05:46:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1832316A417; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cokane@freebsd.org) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B771713C491; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cokane@freebsd.org) Received: from discordia (c-24-60-136-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net[24.60.136.97]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20071103024038m11004irobe>; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:40:38 +0000 Received: by discordia (Postfix, from userid 103) id B74B01634F6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:40:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8-gr1 (2007-02-13) on discordia X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8-gr1 Received: from [172.20.1.3] (unknown [172.20.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by discordia (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8311634F6; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <472BDF06.5050700@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:37:58 -0400 From: Coleman Kane Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071101) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dokuchaev References: <4727BE96.9020804@FreeBSD.org> <20071102173425.GB5282@graf.pompo.net> <472BB699.6070507@FreeBSD.org> <20071103005145.GA50846@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20071103005145.GA50846@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: x11@freebsd.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 7.0 preview slides X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cokane@FreeBSD.org List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:46:25 -0000 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 07:45:29PM -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: > >> Thierry Thomas wrote: >> >>> Le Mer 31 oct 07 ?? 0:30:30 +0100, Kris Kennaway >>> ??crivait : >>> >>> >>>> I think 7.0 is shaping up to be an excellent release that we can all be >>>> very proud of. During the remainder of the release cycle let's try to >>>> also focus on solving the more minor issues that get reported - apart >>>> from the big-ticket items, it is often the small things that can be the >>>> key to making or breaking the user experience. >>>> >>> It seems that many users are bitten by different x.org 7.3 issues. >>> >>> I guess that at this point it's too late to revert to 7.2, but it would >>> be fine to gather tips and work-arounds to write them in the erratas: it >>> would be a catastrophe if people cannot run X (or with a degraded config) >>> when installing FreeBSD-7. >>> >>> >> Egad! Anything but switching back to X.org 7.2! I have much better >> support on my new system under 7.3 than I did 7.2 with my ATI rv350. >> Following the x11 list, it seems that these issues are being resolved. >> The initial switch to 7.3 brought in a broken ati driver for me, but >> working with the x11 list and the fd.org guys (as well as others with >> similar trouble), we managed to get the newer patches released in a new >> driver version and an updated port. >> > > No doubt, methinks no one is going to rollback to 7.2. The point is > that 7.3 is so buggy that either immediate remedy patches or (sadly) > corresponding ERRATA notes are desperately needed. X on any FreeBSD > release must be on a decent level if we see ourselves anywhere near > consumer level. > > ./danfe > Are we tracking the "bugginess" of X.org 7.3 anywhere (other than on the mailing list)? I think perhaps the ModularXorg wiki at: http://wiki.freebsd.org/ModularXorg could be revived to track "hot spots". It is very unlikely that there is a general and widespread bugginess in all X.org 7.3 modules. It seems more likely that this could be narrowed down to some specific "hot-spots", or a minority of modules that need to get some of their bugs fixed. From my interpretation of many the complaints on the list, much of this sounds like a number of the video drivers, specifically many people are still using the -i810 driver and the -intel driver may not be completely polished yet, there seems to be some problems with the mga driver as well as the nv driver. The -ati driver was buggy at the first release, but many of those seem to be cleaned up now. I think we need much finer grained analysis of the root causes of the problems, rather than "X.org 7.3 is kinda borked!". I'm copying x11@ because this is really starting to pertain to them too. -- Coleman Kane