From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 28 12:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09359 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09351 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4008.ime.net [209.90.195.18]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id PAA15272; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:04:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981128150200.00a834b0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:03:50 -0500 To: chuck@ucsd.edu, ADRIAN Filipi-Martin From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: In support of advocacy... Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:00 PM 11/28/98 -0800, Chuck Rouillard wrote: > > >On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, ADRIAN Filipi-Martin wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Chuck Rouillard wrote: >> >> > >> > [chop] >> > > Yep, if one is interested in doing rather than talking, there are >> > > plenty of controversy-free and eminently worthy tasks to turn one's >> > > attention to. >> > >> > In the couple of months I've been on advocacy, the dreamers, poets, >> > and armchair quarterbacks seem to have lots to say about FBSD. >> > Apparently, 'advocacy' is a cornucopia for issues and well-intended >> > solutions(sans any strategy for implementation). >> > >> > Of course, as much as I anticipate any number of tips, ideas, or >> > occasional successes in support of FBSD, I see very little except >> > from, say, Greg(Lehey). >> > >> > Let's see some real *SUPPORT* for FBSD! Hell, I work for a company >> > with it's own UNIX. Staff developers have free access to it and I >> > still managed to get 3 people in my group to go out and buy 2.2.7 >> > and build cable-modem gateways in their homes. >> >> Hey, just because we don't brag about each convert or satisfied >> customer that now has a FreeBSD box, doesn't mean we aren't out there >> promoting FreeBSD. I've got a number of significant local area wins over >> the last four to five years. >> >> I'm not saying that more couldn't be done. Just that what is >> being done is somewhat underrpresented/understated.... sounds like *BSD >> advocacy in general... >> >> I guess we could develop some ascii art tokens to represent how >> many kill each of us has and tack them onto our sigs like fighter pilots >> and their planes. ;-) > > >You're right. My 'example' suggests I'm looking for brag sheets. I'm >not. Instead, and in the spirit of advocacy, I was hoping to such things >as: > >o "X company is planning on a new UNIX network. What are some of > better selling points of FreeBSD against, say, SCO, Sol?" > >o "We don't have a SIG in our (community|town|city|state|country), > has anyone started one and how did you go about it?" > >o "We have a local computer rag and I was consider doing a promo. > Anyone here had experience with this?" > >o "I am considering writing SCSI support for the SYMBIOS chip set > and was wondering if anyone else had similar interests or had > heard of others involved with this?" > >o "My (college|university|alma mater) offers software to students at > substantial discount. I'd like to get then to offer FBSD as well. > Anyone done this before? Whom do I tell them to call?" > >Don't bother addressing any of the bulletized questions; they're >contrived and we all know it. The point is to establish a productive >dialog that promotes the use and widespread appeal of FBSD. > >I believe one of the keys to being a good advocate for something is >understanding it's stengths and weaknesses within and amongst its >peers(if any). Notice the few responses Greg(Lehey) is getting in >his recent appeals. > >BTW: Laugh all you want, but I like Adrian's "ascii art tokens". :-> > A FAQ wouldn't be too bad I guess. Something for people that says "Well I'm running this thing, I like it, I'm not paying for it, so what can I do to promote it?".. Wasn't there an ASCII around that said Powered By FreeBSD and had the daemon in it? I'd imagine it's pretty large to use in a sig, but considering some of my other ones.... :-) --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message