From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Thu Mar 8 23:13:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6391FF3A954 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 23:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED0CA767EC for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 23:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FA8FAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.250.143.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w28NBuuD051833 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Mar 2018 23:12:00 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id w28NDLMm023445; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 00:13:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w28ND3hv075105; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 00:13:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201803082313.w28ND3hv075105@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Ted Hatfield cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 08 Mar 2018 13:52:27 -0600." Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 00:13:03 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 23:13:28 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Ted Hatfield > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:52:27 -0600 (CST) Ted Hatfield wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Federico Caminiti wrote: > > 2018-03-08 14:07 GMT-03:00 Mike Oliver, KT2T : > > > >> > >> Surely, there is overlap among those who want to use FreeBSD and those > >> who are embarrassed for the project given how the CoC has been received, > >> and in that overlap group I can see how some would perceive the CoC as > >> unnecessary, unnecessarily specific, or insulting. > >> > >> > > I myself am also concerned about this. The initial intention to create a > > Code of Conduct was announced in the " freebsd-announce" mailing list (1) > > but no further discussion seems to have taken place anywhere. There is a > > "conduct" mailing list (2) which sound like it was created for a discussion > > of this sort, but as of today (08/03/2018) it seems to be empty. Like many, > > my main point of contention is that this was decided behind closed doors > > and there was no public discussion on the matter. > > > > What was the rationale for choosing Geek Feminism Wiki as guide on how to > > implement a code of conduct and not for example, the KDE Code of Conduct > > (3) or the Contributor Covenant (4) ?. The last one seems closer in spirit > > to what is trying to be achieved here, without inflamatory and/or > > politically charged language. Maybe there are non-arbitrary reasons behind > > the creation of this new CoC, but since it was discussed in private, we > > have no way to know. > > > > [1] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/ > > 2016-January/001691.html > > [2] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/conduct/ > > [3] - https://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ > > [4] - https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.html > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > I've read the published Code of Conduct here: > > https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > > all of the provisions listed appear to me to be reasonable. > > Rather than get all bent out of shape about the fact that it's based upon > the example policy at "Geek Feminism" I would like to hear exactly what's > in the code of conduct you object to. There's good bits but bad bits too. Reluctant to reiterate. I suggest re-skim the many points other have made. Theyre all in archive, eg one I posted: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2018-March/004699.html Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Computer Consultant, Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Brexit Referendum stole 3,700,000 votes, inc. 700,000 from British in EU. UK Govt. lied it's "democratic" in Article 50 letter to EU paragraph 3. Petition for votes: http://berklix.eu/queen/