From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 18 22:47:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03934 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03929 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24653; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35B18861.168DAB55@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:47:13 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: allen campbell CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oracle 8 to be shipped for Linux References: <19980718195306.A4564@mu.org> <19980718224902.A21361@verinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org allen campbell wrote: > > Speculation at slashdot.org is Oracle will use raw devices for its > Linux tablespaces. Apparently the ext2fs is limited to < 2G files. > I would guess (because I really don't know) that this would pose > a significant emulation problem. Speculation by someone who does > know would be greatly appreciated. Jordan's recent advocacy at > www.freshmeat.net for solid Linux emulation (among many other > things) is very relevant here. The use of raw devices makes limitations of ext2fs unimportant; if you use a raw device, you won't have a filesystem on it. Typically Oracle can run with either a file or a raw device. The raw device is accessed with open(2), read(2), and write(2), and thus depends only on the block disk device driver. > I have been advocating FreeBSD and Linux to my employers and > colleagues for some time now. I am _certain_ that this will go a > long way towards acceptance. I advocate Oracle on anything other > that NT anyhow; it would be nice to see FreeBSD get a piece of > this. Yeah, this is great: now we have an application that can make even FreeBSD look slow. ;^) > I think this lends a great deal of credibility to Linux, and > indirectly FreeBSD. When I attended the May OAUG in San Diego > (Oracle Applications User Group,) a presenter mentioned her preference > for Unix as a production platform over NT during her config and > sizing presentation. This evoked enthusiastic applause from several > hundred Oracle DBA types. This market will definitely take notice > of Linux as an alternative to NT for smaller vertical applications > that use Oracle. This is one place NT is gaining a lot of market > in otherwise Unix shops (and disappointing a lot of DBAs.) I have > little doubt Linux (and hopefully FreeBSD) can do better. A friend of mine is a sysadmin at a big HP and Oracle shop. One organization developed an application using NT and MS-SQL Server, because they thought they were going to save a ton of money. When they fielded it, it didn't last three hours under the load thrown at it. They ended up redeveloping it on Oracle and HP-UX, and moving it to a part of a server owned by another group. Oracle on an Pentium 200 or K6 probably could have handled their load, they had a max of 12 users poking at the database. ;^) > According to the Infoworld article, Oracle will make its official > announcement Tuesday. It will be quite something to browse into > the download/demo pages at www.Oracle.com and see Linux alongside > Sun and Microsoft. I doubt I'll download the demo; I'll probably > just buy it ASAP and run whatever I have too to make it work. :) I'm anxious to try it under Linux emulation. I'll probably poke and prod at the demo version for a little while; I've got an OpenLinux 1.2 system at work to hack on if needed. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message