From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 11 02:11:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1621B63 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mauzo@anubis.morrow.me.uk) Received: from isis.morrow.me.uk (isis.morrow.me.uk [204.109.63.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2588FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from anubis.morrow.me.uk (host86-177-98-9.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.98.9]) (Authenticated sender: mauzo) by isis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE5C145044 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:03:20 +0000 (UTC) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 isis.morrow.me.uk EE5C145044 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=morrow.me.uk; s=dkim201101; t=1349921001; bh=xrnYHjP1GxCKr9NYNwzpTc5kMyXlWW94zFkNnqYW9tM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=XGOYoGSpJfuU5p34dsWWijVnFr3ggxVfW7csSckUqQeUEzx7Tf4lxVljD2Iyvvjtx kPCmi2gRBvwm+IBqNMlh7SYwE48nA5ZFkD9CAloPoCN0Tk67sizHpEnDMwDSqNvemV ZXSCwethaa+KeaWn9kjb8Fi0ffdymwuVIuhlnkEg= X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at isis.morrow.me.uk Received: by anubis.morrow.me.uk (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 97F9E521C; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:03:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:03:16 +0100 From: Ben Morrow To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10-CURRENT and 9-STABLE snapshots Message-ID: <20121011020306.GA25553@anubis.morrow.me.uk> References: <50717D35.7040106@affle.com> <1349727367645-5750424.post@n5.nabble.com> <50754E24.4040903@orange.fr> <1349873186577-5750838.post@n5.nabble.com> <5075AA96.6050101@orange.fr> <50761108.9070005@orange.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gmane.os.freebsd.stable Organization: morrow.me.uk User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:11:41 -0000 Quoth Brandon Allbery : > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Claude Buisson wrote: > > > I can easily understand that developpers are happy to switch to new tools, > > but > > the question is: do FreeBSD developpers care a bit about non developpers, > > and > > FreeBSD developers are required to keep their development systems and tools > with the needs of non-developers as the primary requirement? We're not talking about the systems used for development, but the systems used for distribution of the OS to users. Development moved away from CVS a long time ago, but the mirrors were kept so that users could keep using csup. If 'you' (FSVO) want to drop the mirrors, for obvious reasons, it would be helpful to the rest of us if some alternative could be provided which is functionally equivalent. I am given to understand, but have not yet tested, that freebsd-update can be used to update just the 'src' component. If this works reliably (and doesn't mess anything else up in a built-from-source system), it seems like a good answer to me, at least for those tracking -RELEASE branches rather than -STABLE. One solution to this dilemma might be to just document that as the officially-supported way to obtain the source. Ben