From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 5 00:20:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66AA106567D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA1A8FC2D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEABD35550C7; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id A4F52280D2; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-aba04bb000000ece-47-48979cba8182 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.227.140.124]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 7D556280B9; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0F274EB7-AB91-45E3-89ED-3ADCC42F9E42@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20080804230918.GA12219@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:20:10 -0700 References: <18736784.post@talk.nabble.com> <48909534.9040608@FreeBSD.org> <48971F22.3000601@carebears.mine.nu> <48975C9B.9040103@FreeBSD.org> <20080804165237.39f79c49@scorpio> <20080804230918.GA12219@thought.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When gcc43 is expected to be in base? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:20:11 -0000 On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 04:52:37PM -0400, Gerard wrote: >> Since it appears to be apparent that newer software might very well >> be >> released under the GPLv3 license, it might behoove the FreeBSD team >> to >> rethink its ideas or beliefs regarding the inclusion of such software >> into the base system. At the very least, it might very well make life >> easier for end users who need the support that programs using that >> license are now offering. > > I must have missed something along the way, because I don't > understand what the "preferences" are to *not* use 4.3. I have > it buiilt and runing here on my mail desktop and at least one > other FBSD server. > > Clues, please. Oh, there's nothing wrong with you as an individual running gcc-4.3 if you like. Nor is there anything wrong with the GPLv3 license-- it's well-crafted and handles certain technical issues resulting from varied legal systems quite well compared to most other licenses (eg, clause 17 for many European jurisdictions which do not permit one to completely disclaim liability), *provided* one is working on completely open systems. However, anyone who needs to do things with cryptography and signing is going to find GPLv3 clauses 3 and 6 unworkable. FreeBSD (and NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc) are attractive for people building embedded systems because they are (mostly) not GPL(v2)-encumbered, and adopting GPLv3 code would make that problem worse. Regards, -- -Chuck