From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 24 23:29:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7559416A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:29:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 236B343D31 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:29:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.1.210 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 23:29:32 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:29:33 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20040924225348.GB9423@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20040924225348.GB9423@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409241629.33647.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Xorg Packages on 5.3-beta5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:29:33 -0000 On Friday 24 September 2004 03:53 pm, Ken Smith wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:43:34PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > So it might be nicer to have cvsup-without-gui on the CD's, and not > > include the package for the full-blown cvsup, just to avoid the > > dependency on X. > > Well, if you make the assumption we'd have this fixed for the release > then it's only nicer if nobody actually likes or uses the GUI. I > have never felt qualified to judge that, Well, fwiw I used cvsup with the gui once, and that was the first time I used it (when I was a true newbie - have only used fbsd since this spring). I find it much easier and more flexible without it, and I'm one of those people who likes to have a gui email client. > lots of other interesting > things wind up having the same dependencies on X (meaning odds are > high you'll wind up needing the X stuff anyway), etc. I'm not > looking forward to yet another bikeshed about something like this. > > But... I'm inclined to leave it as-is. On the release it should > be fixed and newbie users might find the picture-drawing capabilities > fun/cool while more hardcore users know how to deal with getting what > they want (and it's been this way for a while so they've had lots > of practice). If there are strong opposing views ... My view isn't a strong opposing one, but again I never used cvsup with the gui except the first time, and it wasn't useful - this becomes more apparent when it's used in an automated process like a cron job, which I'd posit is more common than people using the gui. - jt