From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 11:56:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE023BBD88 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BXNRL4T5bz4M47; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.27] ([194.32.164.27]) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id 07KBucO8011021; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:56:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: PC Card, gone in 13 From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:56:37 +0100 Cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Warner Losh , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <80713570-6427-41FE-B432-94CC1CA96E2F@gid.co.uk> References: <20200819005721.GA80463@eureka.lemis.com> To: Rick Macklem X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXNRL4T5bz4M47 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rb@gid.co.uk designates 194.32.164.250 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rb@gid.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.46 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gid.co.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.800]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.04)[0.044]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42831, ipnet:194.32.164.0/24, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:56:48 -0000 Hi, > On 19 Aug 2020, at 05:26, Rick Macklem wrote: >=20 > Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 1:20:56 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>> As discussed in the past, it's time to remove PC Card support. Not = CardBus >>> support, but PC Card support. this is the16-bit PCMCIA stuff from = long ago. >>> It relied on many 16-bit drivers that have since been removed from = the >>> tree. What remains is a shadow of its former self. There used to be = two >>> dozen or so drivers. This has dwindled down to 9, none of which are >>> especially relevant (and all of which have replacement hardware = available). >>=20 >> I still have an old machine with PCMCIA hardware. >>=20 >>> The drivers to be removed: an, cmx, wi, ng_bt3c >>=20 >> Notably wi. >>=20 >>> an and wi are old 802.11b drivers that are no longer relevant. >>=20 >> A lot depends on the hardware, of course. It's certainly relevant to >> my old Dell machine. >>=20 >>> There's no systems that FreeBSD supports that are 16-bit only PC >>> Card systems. >>=20 >> I suppose that depends on what you mean by "supports". >>=20 >> However: these old machines all have (by modern standards) tiny >> memory. My Dell machine has 256 MB RAM, so modern versions of = FreeBSD >> just won't run on it. > FreeBSD-current works fine on my 256Mbyte i386. I have a Soekris net4801 with 128MB RAM running CURRENT i386 at r364182 = with the GENERIC kernel. That doesn=E2=80=99t mean it=E2=80=99s a great idea, but everything = works and it=E2=80=99s possible to compile stuff if you aren=E2=80=99t = in a rush. This box does have 128GB of SSD to work with though. > Building a kernel does > require patience and I'm not foolish enough to try a "make universe" = on it. >=20 > Having said that, I have no problem with PCMCIA going away. >=20 > rick >=20 >> More to the point, the wi driver has been >> broken for years, so clearly nobody cares about it. I'm in agreement >> with removing the support. If anybody (including myself) really = wants >> to run this old stuff, they can use an earlier release of FreeBSD. >>=20 >> Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 -- Bob Bishop t: +44 (0)118 940 1243 rb@gid.co.uk m: +44 (0)783 626 4518