From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 21:21:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5053D16A417; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@kininvie.sv.svcolo.com) Received: from kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (kininvie.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3376B13C45D; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@kininvie.sv.svcolo.com) Received: from kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l71KqBCj012313; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@kininvie.sv.svcolo.com) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by kininvie.sv.svcolo.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l71KqBb4012312; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:52:11 -0700 From: Jo Rhett To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20070801205211.GA12218@svcolo.com> References: <46B01D5E.6050004@psg.com> <20070801110727.GC59008@menantico.com> <46B0EDEA.8050608@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46B0EDEA.8050608@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: Silicon Valley Colocation X-Spam-Score: -1.00 () [Tag at 3.50] SPF(pass,-1) X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.135.12 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:21:56 -0000 On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:32:42PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > This is about on par with > > selling SOHO routers that synchronize their clocks using stratum-1 > > NTP servers. > > I don't really think that analogy holds up, given that those who run > public stratum-1 NTP servers specifically request that individual > hosts not sync from them. The analogy is more true than you believe. Someone told you on this very same list that it was not allowed, and you argued that it wasn't denied therefore it should be okay. You're doing an excellent job of ignoring contrary opinions and reinventing facts. And the very same root operators are on dns-operations list telling you not to do this, and you are ignoring them there too. > If there is a consensus based on solid technical reasons (not emotion > or FUD) to back the root zone slaving change out, I'll be glad to do > so. I think it would be very useful at this point if those who _like_ > the change would speak up publicly as well. Everyone has spoken up, and you've ignored every one of them. Including the root operators themselves. Because they are unable to convince you, they're going to have to disable AXFR and break a lot of things all over the world to get this stupidity stopped. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation