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I get that. My frustration isn't with you, or your questions. I ge= t > why you want to run -current. I'm sorry it's being painful for you. > Sometimes, -current is like that. When this happens, there's always vesa and scfb (software rendering) to fall back to so your machine won't be rendered useless. Not saying this should be the norm, but good to know so that your work get minimal interruption. Alternatively, run experimental kernels/worlds in bhyve (what I tend to do when I want everything accessible on the same local machine). > > Warner > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg"