From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 27 22:49:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF08F37B400 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16V5ba-00001F-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:49:26 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.intra, from userid 500) id 63B7645218; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:49:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:49:25 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020128064925.GA1180@raggedclown.net> References: <20020127220923.B1494@shell.gsinet.sittig.org> <20020127134511.Q81780-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020127134511.Q81780-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 02:50:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > Really, I'm just arguing for doing something that makes sense, and the > current behavior does not qualify, regardless of how long it's been > understood to be broken that way. Even if this behavior were adequately > documented, which it isn't, it's extremely user-unfriendly to have no mean > yes. > > At this point I'm rather reticent to even bother submitting anything to > the "security officer" role as Warner has indicated that he's part of that > role and will speak out against it in the name of security. I'm not a > member of the inner circle, just a long-time user who saw some confusing > behavior and thought that there was an opportunity to fix it. > I think you were quite right to, and I think you are right. But you are fighting the forces of reaction here, in my view. This whole thread has been a very depressing reflection on the inability of any of the people arguing against you to make any coherent argument against changing something to make sense. This is just conservative status-quoism gone mad. You are not alone in finding the current wording and behaviour of this feature inconsistent, and initially incoherent. Perhaps we are just too dumb. -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message