Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:19:29 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" <simon@FreeBSD.org> To: George Danchev <danchev@spnet.net> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love Message-ID: <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net>
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--FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 19:43:13 +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2005 17:01, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2005-10-06 11:21, George Danchev <danchev@spnet.net> wrote: > > >On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:16, Ceri Davies wrote: > > >> The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. > > > > > > OK, Agreed. > > > > > >> Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list > > >> (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. > > > > > > To elaborate a little bit. > > > > > > I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site > > > are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists > > > information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug > > > Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and > > > following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, > > > good and informative panes from the old site. > > > > There's always the "WTF is this new stuff anyway? I was comfortable and > > cozy with the old one". Understandable, but don't let the "new stuff" > > factor blind you to any good things the new design has too :) >=20 > What I'm supposed to say when you lose trading efficiency for aesthetics = for=20 > no good reasons ? Ok, it is beautiful, but wastes people's time with usel= ess=20 It's not done for aesthetics (at least that's not the main reason). The main problem with the old front page of the web site (from my point of view) was that it was _way_ to cluddered. Yes it was OK if you knew the entire front page, but if you didn't there was just way to many links that really didn't need to be there. > > > Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should > > > be filled with important texts (as it used to be). > > > > Important for whom? Others will quickly jump up and start arguing that > > "a couple of well placed, catchy images are worth a thousand words each= ". > > > > Note that I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. I'm >=20 > You are not the only one. There are multiple complaints left unaddressed= =20 > targeting the new site's efficiency: I really think it's unfair to say that complaints are left unaddressed considering it's less than 24 hours since the new site went online. Yes there are things that need to be changed, it was never the plan to just change to the new web site and then leave it. We knew that there where things that should be improved, but it's much simpler to do once we have it in our many CVS repository and people have had some time to digest the new site. >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002898.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002889.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002902.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002914.html > ... >=20 > > only stating the fact that these are *YOUR* opinions, which you have > > *every* right to have but it should probably take a lot more than > > > > ``This sucks, fix it'' >=20 > This is not what I said! Note Giorgos' smiley at the next line. > > to get anything done :) >=20 > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the main= =20 > page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. I agree, but defining what is important is really hard since we have many different types of users of the web site. E.g. we have new commers that want to learn about FreeBSD, regular users, developers etc etc. > Look at the old site's left=20 > pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for Platforms, Softwar= e,=20 > Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development (at least) along with th= eir=20 > submenus as links. Just one-click away - clean, sane and simple. And way too many links almost never used which made it hard to find the important parts (IMO). > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at= =20 > freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people unexpecte= dly,=20 It has been said many times on the doc/www mailing lists that we would do this so anybody that was really interested in the topic and have been on our mailing lists have already had a chance to suggest improvments. Also note that over the last year or so there has been several longs threads about the topic. Also, discussing it to death would just have meant exactly that - nothing would have changed. I'm sorry that you don't find the new web site to be an improvement, but I and many other people do. And belive me, this was _not_ done to annoy people. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRVygh9pcDSc1mlERAtTyAJ48Qmhr09fbIIyJlLbHxUF0+Zkw2ACghZeN HEI71TseH6wqDK4p6xAkSQE= =Yxm+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW--
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