From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 18:09:58 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93068B9C66 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from corvid.alerce.com (corvid.alerce.com [206.125.171.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 988EC8AD64 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartzell@alerce.com) Received: from postfix.alerce.com (76-226-160-236.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.226.160.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by corvid.alerce.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E851A36EDD; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alerce.com; s=dkim; t=1563732589; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=6jG0ylYycShgw3gg2qUh1E8RfMNCjEmgXLLQMxMzO5A=; b=KhXhBMMz8amiRKk/NoBtO42vcLwkYLbeZZV9g1XRL5JvZqousK41fi6avrGFcuw2RDj7Fd LTcj73H0EVl67FQbzdttpm3zChny7Kk+OV2ydDfe8JORYGZN91z60LavhsHyi/thnaWdW9 GXVjUizwy36cbFae73i42fTfGAQNDHotgLMeB+Z4dlNuFtqskfT/n4SAFG+dmgwCAj4+8S Kgqv1jj6VvTyjVLMouRHRy1dn+KAGboB/nQwPPtwTHN39cIf//TPwTP0gBCcQv9FuViW9m +1+kQuuDzxNXoVwTMUxg7gA25kxQ3yF9OLc4xdeZh4M/lfquANqSYILHAMgggg== Received: by postfix.alerce.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id B333A20102C308; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: George Hartzell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:09:48 -0700 To: hw Cc: Polytropon , George Hartzell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? In-Reply-To: <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 26.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0) Reply-To: hartzell@alerce.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 988EC8AD64 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=alerce.com header.s=dkim header.b=KhXhBMMz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=alerce.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hartzell@alerce.com designates 206.125.171.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hartzell@alerce.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[hartzell@alerce.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[alerce.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[alerce.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[corvid.alerce.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.859,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:206.125.168.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[alerce.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.17)[ip: (-6.09), ipnet: 206.125.168.0/21(-4.42), asn: 25795(-0.28), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:09:58 -0000 hw writes: > Polytropon writes: > [...] > The most time consuming part would be to learn and to decide about all > the options of all the packages to compile. Doing that for just one > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many > dependencies. [...] > > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools > might be the smallest problem. All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y begets z. I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, even if you switch back to pre-built packages. g.