From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sun Dec 3 04:47:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A263FDEDB90 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4A06A297 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7B98DDEDB8F; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B390DEDB8E for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495FB6A296 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id t1so6604026ite.5 for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 20:47:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=bEWff6gOcDI0Dw7poIkIOSWQdRTdoVJSRPJxgmBmsDk=; b=RoCVSbHYbWktE3FuAzzDoI3hRoTSMg6XqRYMzlJ0nCILFjBw+2oyjvjyqUFN+kgPVT 9xYGcPQ0eU0zc8y/Vn06vqR82d36mIQJ1il4f/LpRk+uHXmrGn8Irbo/+YQiCZf1v810 XTOH7U7AhQp1HFvCfZvRZfiQJoqPpDJOIMTDk0uhyfqUn1w99XCXZqKffU6Eor73HuHr cBHyh/swSio3IDwyNAEEy48Ety1ljrgpjkjVndbGf+KJn+2z2Ql1PgYoi0f8cregTrHw 4pdViBVqhXmjInuoz/dWR4wLiEsBJ7EpNGH04YcufgVTaZ2GR0BJOa3rMwIhsuL4nG7M PdsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bEWff6gOcDI0Dw7poIkIOSWQdRTdoVJSRPJxgmBmsDk=; b=c68zY6NdwxCUXeeSehx9rvUGTkdw1thWLZrV2hoS3bVS/NIL70Ch3jJIkblXyE1Ub7 WYoie+xj3ipqYt1yGNkcke8JD1IPf3AeqbMpdEaCZX61DGMFICHk3iuY8Mow/7lBcURr znd3E5cutE8qVyl4cualMyY8sfXMfgah5H5DGM3h8rirfMu/jwEtGqpO+IQvQoemzt4C /USR7V/Y/gP7s0Tl2tlX/EK01m6HrId2d9fZNq5+x9ZUEnYJs2NIX7lne/CLDTJlyKna 5KtSLKz3zmV/ZSrvOVTRJgNehDSYQw4cypfgyIbUptdWrz3tUM8Wp6aK8Axix0XBysYq zFRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX73WFe3rXziDInOL0qAMhL11iHsQmVjWAAlXSXBZZZZXCfXlrlt hj+/FB7xiYhOsehw27KGDdHuBUhsnBJvToV/awZ80g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZCatLp/cI+vjQIXIaTSes5FGm9/75bFZdFYUDhWu/3qxS1LUyQj8Qj+rZzkTHCUvEA7Hu23PzHOngItv4LQOk= X-Received: by 10.36.77.143 with SMTP id l137mr8326592itb.50.1512276476289; Sat, 02 Dec 2017 20:47:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <201712030331.vB33VPmC023873@slippy.cwsent.com> References: <201712030331.vB33VPmC023873@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 21:47:55 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: k9QtGP8UU5XewTuzLNUW6OJMj8w Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating / Removing floppy drive support To: Cy Schubert Cc: Eitan Adler , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 04:47:57 -0000 On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Cy Schubert wrote: > bms@ has given me USB floppy formatting code which I'd planned to merge > into fdformat but considering the underlying devices are so very different > it would be a difficult marriage. I'd be willing to support a ufdformat > instead. I'm keen on getting that into the tree. I have a ufd device and a need to use it from time to time. If nothing else, I can be a reviewer of the code. Is ufd working for you? > > > > Normally, I'd argue we might want to have a release where it's > deprecated, > > but it already was unusable in 11, and barely usable in 10 and has been a > > shadow of its former self for much longer than that. > > The reason to keep some form of floppy support, eder fd or ufd is for the > purpose of copying (dd) floppy media into image files for use with > virtualbox or bhyve VMs. -- (One could say the same for CD and DVD drives. > My new laptop at $JOB has no CD/DVD drive.) I digress. I think the ability > to copy media to image files for VMs might be a reason to keep some form of > support fd or ufd. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here... Warner