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Date:      Tue, 18 Apr 1995 16:50:28 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Joe Greco <jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
To:        pete@silver.sms.fi (Petri Helenius)
Cc:        julian@tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Routing nightmares.
Message-ID:  <9504182150.AA07415@brasil.moneng.mei.com>
In-Reply-To: <199504181935.WAA00615@silver.sms.fi> from "Petri Helenius" at Apr 18, 95 10:35:52 pm

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> This can be solved installing a subnetwork-route pointing to the freebsd-box's
> interface. This is the correct way to do this. Whether your version of the
> OS supports the route correctly (if there was a freebsd it would) is an issue
> you should resolve with your OS supplier. 

This is the "correct" way to do it, agreed, but it is not supported by
ANYBODY that I've seen - including FreeBSD - so it is also a useless way 
to do it.

>  > Actually, this was the "solution".
> 
> Proxy-arp should be still consireded as an interim-time solution, you wouldn't
> want to get your arp-table too huge.

The way our Corporate guys move, I don't necessarily consider it interim.

The arp table has another 255 entries in it.  It's a SPARCstation 2.  It can
just have to deal with it.  :-)

>  > Getting the FreeBSD box to proxy ARP with two interfaces was a nightmarish
>  > mess and I sorta had it working, but it would eventually overwrite the
>  > information I was asking it to publish.  It simply wasn't designed on a
>  > per-interface basis.
> 
> IMO, unix is not an router and real routers don't run unix...

Give me a real router for $200 and I'll happily install it here.  :-)

In the meantime, I am fortunate that I happen to have a sophisticated OS
that implements TCP/IP so well.  I can take hardware that is laying around
and build a router, without paying Cisco several thousand more dollars (we
already have Cisco routers, the Corporate guys are sitting on them, I got
pissed after several months of no-progress, and I implemented something
*today* that should have been done a year ago, and won't be done for several
more months).

UNIX is more of a router than a router is.  I've never seen a router that
can talk SMTP before.  And I like to be able to log in and poke at things,
something you can't do with cheap routers.

... Joe

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Joe Greco - Systems Software Engineer, UNIX/Network Hacker, Etc.   414/362-3617
Marquette Electronics, Inc. - R&D - Milwaukee, WI                jgreco@mei.com



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