From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Feb 28 19:23:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B495A1514F7A; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06CCC83C78; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id zRH1gE2t0qO6dzRH3gdR9B; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 12:23:17 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=B/XHL9lM c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=CFTnQlWoA9kA:10 a=7Qk2ozbKAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=uXA9H-vN0aDjisqzskgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=u1iU4zoZatoA:10 a=jj-u_ENxJDUA:10 a=1lyxoWkJIXJV6VJUPhuM:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from [IPv6:2605:8d80:402:e6fa:7662:4608:c1c9:df9c] (unknown [72.143.238.20]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80B8D257C; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:22:52 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20190228191511.GA18089@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20190223003126.4aec5a01b77ec9bf9ea0992a@j.email.ne.jp> <1550926557.1795.0@unrelenting.technology> <20190223234351.0addf9de71953eb31136322b@j.email.ne.jp> <20190228004220.fb3ed982fa8a34252ec19bb5@j.email.ne.jp> <603D07F7-CA80-40C6-8D55-3DC6EABE667E@cschubert.com> <20190228191511.GA18089@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: DRM removal soon To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, Steve Kargl CC: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Yoshihiro Ota , Warner Losh , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD X11 mailing list , greg@unrelenting.technology From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKG3cUcTiuwH129teguqq2mGtwekWNdNb9HXnfWCkjGV838mXxFDpFor7b9Gb/FPfzTVKor8EaZYHstnU+wr58py+tD2vrQYGXIRnXdmfoenHCvccR7M erUaKDDiUcIiKVQlDCICtmGv3qdCcovcmciHdixw7ZHAtTQSn9M6GsBkKlUtmlz1XB/axzgfLvHtYT5Eh0JOh5XOi1xiaNjNrzN1T/IMpANczRoiv4TxERLF NQ6rso8RLQaQ9peqB+UMI4weLIqaH7TlpdcHQ66nSA3m3P+XltpvZc1y5XyYQNfi+vq6n4Bw++e/JZ5bwKCq6F37P6xwwc4O9p2IuEYabRf2R0TWp8fwv/2m kiQQnEhaq7RzCqkzSyHE+iAhOtOI76lNHj/hnhlRiN4/WBBKILQ= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 06CCC83C78 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:23:20 -0000 On February 28, 2019 11:15:11 AM PST, Steve Kargl wrote: >On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:49:51AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote: >> On February 27, 2019 9:42:20 PM PST, Yoshihiro Ota > wrote: >> >On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:24:15 -0700 >> >Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 3:31 AM Yoshihiro Ota >> >wrote: >> >>=20 >> >> I also found that running kldstat was the easiest way to find >which >> >of >> >> > driver to use instead of dmesg=2E >> >> > >> >>=20 >> >> Is this a suggestion for changing the drm-kmod package output? Or >> >just a >> >> helpful hint for others? >> >>=20 >> >> Tanks again=2E >> >>=20 >> >> Warner >> > >> >This is a helpful hint for others and a suggestion to update >documents=2E >> > >> >I had read >> >>https://www=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/releases/12=2E0R/relnotes=2Ehtml#hardware-gr= aphics >> >and https://wiki=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/Graphics before I started=2E I had 4= old >> >laptops and 1 vmawre and I didn't remember which machine uses which >CPU >> >:) >> >If the doc can mention to check kldstat output and go to >corresponding >> >section, that will make steps easier=2E >> > >> >I converted to the port based driver for 4 psychical machines and 1 >> >vmware machine (although vmware do not use neither of driver=2E) All >of >> >them run 12=2E0-RELEASE=2E All of them start X and work fine=2E I wi= ll >> >likely get to 13-CURRENT a lot later as I ran 13-CURRENT without X >and >> >in vmware most of times=2E >> > >> > >> The ports work as advertised=2E IMO graphics/drm-legacy should be >> depreciated sooner than later=2E I would expect the graphics team >> could better spend their time and energy on drm-current, which >> btw works perfectly on my old laptop converted to i386 testbed, >> than maintaining old bitrot=2E When can we expect drm-legacy to >> finally be removed from ports? >>=20 > >drm-legacy-kmd has already been *depreciated*? > >Perhaps, you meant deprecated=2E :) > >Hopefully, never=2E drm-current-kmod locks up my laptop=2E >drm-legacy-kmod works=2E Yes=2E drm-legacy-kmod should be removed from ports sooner than later=2E d= rm-current-kind works perfectly on older gear like my 13 year old Pentium-M= , which was repurposed as an i386 test platform years ago=2E The reason to remove old software from base is evident=2E The same reason = holds for ports as well=2E The ports team are also a limited resource=2E=20 --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E