From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Nov 29 13:30:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05962 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05956; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA07740; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:00:41 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA01864; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:00:37 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981130080037.A423@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:00:37 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: dyson@iquest.net Cc: wes@softweyr.com, tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: System V init (was: Linux to be deployed in Mexican schools; Where was FreeBSD?) References: <19981129183019.H456@freebie.lemis.com> <199811291429.JAA01054@y.dyson.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199811291429.JAA01054@y.dyson.net>; from John S. Dyson on Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 09:29:58AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [moved to -hackers] On Sunday, 29 November 1998 at 9:29:58 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Greg Lehey said: >> >> OK. The *idea* of run modes seems to make sense, and I wouldn't >> change the System V method on a system which had it, but how useful is >> it really? Consider: >> >> Run state Meaning BSD init >> 0 halt halt >> 1 single user shutdown >> 2 multi user, Whaat?? >> no network >> 3 multiuser (multiuser; stop single user) >> 4 undefined >> (most systems) can't see any equivalent on PCs >> 5 PROM monitor >> 6 reboot reboot >> >> Where's the important difference? > > Add additional packages, and see that BSD init ends up more > and more inadequate. I still don't see why. We have a method to run application startup and shutdown scripts already. Could you be more specific? >>> SysV init has an established set of standards for usage of >>> startup/shutdown files. It doesn't solve ALL problems, but moves >>> forward, other than just staying idle. >> >> Sure, but as I said, that's all a question of scripts. > > Also, it is all a question of C-code, Where? > but a framework enables better organization. However SYSV-init is > implemented, vendors do use it. I suppose there's one point there. But the only difference for installing under FreeBSD would be the name of the startup file. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message