From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 7 07:21:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F99106566C for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C738FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-36-164.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.36.164]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BBB1E868; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:21:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id o277L3ZN001979; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:21:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:21:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Sabine Baer Message-Id: <20100307082103.4397812c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20100307062948.GF9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> References: <20100305120021.52F79106566B@hub.freebsd.org> <20100306044916.ce02523e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100306080358.GE9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> <20100306092541.1b0c279b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100307062948.GF9762@amd.catfish.ddns.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash viewer for FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:21:06 -0000 On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:29:48 +0100, Sabine Baer wrote: > OK, I really didn't know youtube_dl (and clive someone mentioned in > the thread). So, thanks a lot. I youtube-dl-ed my puff pastry examle. > It took me 5 minutes and 11.69M space on diks but then I was able to > look at it using mplayer. Fine. Same with clive. Fine too. The option "youtube-dl -a" is fine, too, because it creates an AVI file on the fly, so you can even share downloaded videos with persons who don't have the luck of being able to use mplayer (with its ability to play every format). It's even possible to combine youtube-dl and mplayer in a way that playing the video starts along with the download, and because the download is linear (to the video itself), you can watch while downloading (thanks to mplayer being able to play incomplete video files), even fullscreen is possible. > I remember, when I had linux-fc4 installed and flashplugin7, I tried > to look at a video on the site http://www.hr-online.de. The only > result was "you haven't the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player". > I wrote an email to them and got an answer (that's remarkable, not > 'normal', I wrote 2 complaints about accessibility to given contact > addresses at European community sites and didn't get any answer) but > it wasn't helpful. Yes, "the latest version", a common problem. What a luck that things like HTML are standard; just imagine a message like "This page is optimized for HTML 8. You currently have HTML 7 installed. The page cannot be displayed at all." :-) That's the difference between standards and what you called "quasi standards" (which are no standards at all, in my opinion). > Well, this site and http://news.bbc.co.uk as well are "barrier-free" > so I can use them with lynx only and the videos are a surplus. Personally, I don't have much fun viewing pages in lynx, but it is an excellent validator to find out how, for example, blind persons see (in the meaning of "content reception", of course) web pages. On very "modern" and "optimized" web pages, they don't see anything. > But I am in the "target audience" of www.hr-online.de at least. > [...] > But I'm tired of sitting in front of my monitor and thinking 'if they > don't want me to look at their content, it's their misfortune'. The keyword here is "target audience". If you consider yourself to be in the target audience of a certain service, you need to fulfill requirements to participate on this service, e. g. having a driving license in order to be part of the motorized traffic. And if HR-online requires you to run "the right" OS and "the right" programs, then you don't have much choice. So if the usage of a certain family of formats intendedly excludes users of many operating systems... Furtunately, "Flash" is quite usable on FreeBSD, allthough there are more than one form to run it (linux binary, OpenSolaris in a VM, "Windows" version in wine). So there usually are ways to see the content that is not intended for us. :-) And I may add that I am thankful to the developers who invest their time in order to provide an ongoing support for "Flash". So maybe it always lasts some time until a FreeBSD based system is able to run the lastest "Flash" stuff, but finally it's possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...