From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Thu Apr 16 15:48:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5245C2BFCAD for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4933Y804tfz4f3C for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03GFmbLF022047 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:48:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=puchar.net; s=default; t=1587052118; bh=ncpyYpe/GHYcgvjcmzs/GGnuaKRdP/Rt7u/3btnyKug=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Bfaubta3o7LP0S9OuGBQcwWYIGyL9Jczp1dqDP9XqvJ+7OE11W+VVRqajZSQfOsGj UGOl9z2505NpJYMuq7RHJhK58KYZHu2GrMLgamN72sMApYrfl+hviqffpb7uN7g84U gq2xeC4v+EiU8Gw1SLcFJnWhrgOn4k0n1ppXeSx8= Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 03GFma6T022044; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:48:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:48:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: John-Mark Gurney cc: Wojciech Puchar , Freddie Cash , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience In-Reply-To: <20200415194705.GX4213@funkthat.com> Message-ID: References: <1FFE298E-A609-4570-A0BD-E530996C92CF@gmail.com> <20200415194705.GX4213@funkthat.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4933Y804tfz4f3C X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=puchar.net header.s=default header.b=Bfaubta3; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[puchar.net:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[puchar.net:-]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.47)[ip: (-6.52), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-3.26), asn: 43476(-2.61), country: PL(0.06)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:48:45 -0000 >> Actually it would be better to be no installer at all, but instalation >> instructions. > > I remember FreeBSD 1.1 install instructions fondly. > can see first page only. > https://twitter.com/encthenet/status/816072254354178048 > my installation: 1) run bootable FreeBSD from anything (i usually use pendrive) 2) create partitions, install boot blocks 3) newfs partition, mount 4) unpack few .tar.gz - i have them included in bootable media. 5) done.