From owner-freebsd-current Tue Jun 27 22:52:12 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA22421 for current-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:52:12 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA22415 ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:52:09 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA08478; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:52:17 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199506280552.WAA08478@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Paul Richards: sysconfig routed setting To: jkh@freebsd.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 22:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org (FreeBSD current) In-Reply-To: <8337.804273321@whisker.internet-eireann.ie> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Jun 27, 95 06:15:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3402 Sender: current-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Note sure why this was just forwarded to me instead of sent to at least the -current mailling list, just because I am the one working in there does not mean these types of discussions should occur in private email.. > > I agree. Okay, so noted. > ------- Forwarded Message > > Received: from freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (lambda.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.124]) > by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA18450 > for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 08:35:18 -0700 > Received: (from paul@localhost) by freebsd.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA01000 for jkh@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:35:02 +0100 > From: Paul Richards > Message-Id: <199506271535.QAA01000@freebsd.netcraft.co.uk> > Subject: sysconfig routed setting > To: jkh@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan Hubbard) > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:35:01 +0100 (BST) > Reply-to: paul@FreeBSD.org > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > The default value for routed should probably be NO since there are > few reasons to run a router and in those cases where you should > you'll know about it and go configure it appropriately. ``Should'' and ``probably'' are not very convincing words, your already sounding like you would go mush on this if I blew a couple of quick holes at it. Also you give very little technical reason why it should not be run. Routed does not require *any* configuration, and does very very little if anything unless rip packets are on the wires. If RIP packets are on the wires you should damn well be sure you listen to them in one way or another. I also disagree with your assertion that ``where you should you'll know about it and go configure it appropriately''. We have users out there who don't have a clue about this stuff, don't know what RIP is, don't need to know that they get there routing information from some gateway on there network, wouldn't know how to configure it if you told them it needed done. Face it, ip address with netmask and a host name go beyond some of the folks trying to install this stuff now. Perhaps if sysinstall inforced this 4 point synopsis of what you have to do to have your host understand routing: You either have to have a) a default route, b) run routed in some form (the current defaults are good) to pick up rip packets off the wire, c) gated (a non-trival thing to set up) or d) no network connection to have your system work correctly. Give those 4 conditions the best default there is to ship the system with (since you can't do the default route or gated configuration) is to have routed -q started by default. If a person sets a default route, they can disable routed. If a person sets up gated the can disable routed If a person has no network connection, well, okay, it is wrong for this one case, they could disable routed if they wanted to free the process slot and some memory. IMHO, and evidently CSRG's as well, routed -q should be the default it covers the widest cases. If I set the default to ``NO'' belive me there are going to be a lot of bug reports about people who can not get off there local network. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD