From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 15:34:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473351065673 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CEE8FC23 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892742086; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:39 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: John Kozubik References: <20080628132632.R1807@kozubik.com> <864p7bw387.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080630073539.U1807@kozubik.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:34:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080630073539.U1807@kozubik.com> (John Kozubik's message of "Mon\, 30 Jun 2008 08\:11\:04 -0700 \(PDT\)") Message-ID: <86prpzq6lt.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's 2008. 1 TB disk drives cost $160. Quotas are 32-bit. X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:34:41 -0000 John Kozubik writes: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, [utf-8] Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > > John Kozubik writes: > > > [long rant about how 64-bit quotas should take precedence over > > > everything else we do] > > FreeBSD is a volunteer-driven open source project. Basically, this > > means you don't get to dictate what people work on. It also means > > you don't get to throw shit at people the way you just did. > When I offered monetary rewards for these items: > > http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > they were merely polite suggestions. That's because, at the end of the > day, FreeBSD on the desktop, and these particular aspects of FreeBSD on > the desktop, must be kept a bit down on the priority list. > > The core, expected functionality of a unix operating system are a > different story. Nobody cares about your feelings. You seriously need to reconsider your attitude. FreeBSD is volunteer-driven. If you want something done, you can either do it yourself, or provide incentive for someone else to do it for you. I see you're trying to do the latter, and that's great, but it does *not* entitle you to berate people for doing something else. Bear in mind, also, that this is not a zero-sum game. Pawel and Ivan worked on ZFS and gjournal because they felt like it. If they hadn't been allowed to do so, they wouldn't have fixed quotas instead; they would just have gone somewhere else. > > > There is nothing new or experimental in moving quotas from 32 to > > > 64 bit. > > It breaks backward compat rather badly. All quotas need to be > > recalculated, and there no way to tell whether the existing quota > > file is 32-bit or 64-bit. > As I said, nothing new or experimental. I hardly think you're qualified to judge the level of difficulty involved. If you were, you'd be busy fixing the problem, not bitching about it. > Please note that you've had five years to address this: > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/bigdisk/index.html > > That task list, and the things left undone on it, are a joke. Absolutely. Lists like this are pointless: they are never complete, they are never up-to-date, and they never reflect the relative importance of the listed items accurately. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no