From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 18:20:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB2E1065672 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from varga.michal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9028FC0C for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so474314bwz.13 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:organization:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UsnN+1L9Z7MsnhN9PFS+Lk5ApBtoIneOGEiqrWyyWdk=; b=B+0uP/mbMMCrAl6Ymq384nQQ5A2bNywpNln8B7A1sJU3KH5dnxttTEWHmHHNCZaMlt s+xMSkQXeJUudeDHwroUymEa9NGW2Ly24eTE+XzlV4HQu4+H0BnlZdLAXmwWS31MRKvU 5EtwEAeuBmXpBQg5vNZSk5PJLmu1yKDxXSt3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZrB23UB3JCG7D7B1qcy5HRDhKsAwcs05MuU1UVJaI+jzUnH4ooHYtlbEQFqIDx/AVR 3H57twGIl+OTHY8TnhTNKaKfeb1O73HRjhbwPKzMTZNyFQ1mqBjHt3YUAZfFltreojvd 6H0yMRW5/IEuox2CjuYLM5jKRb/D4bV01g3z8= Received: by 10.204.20.71 with SMTP id e7mr124450bkb.144.1301422807983; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.101.2] (254.166.broadband10.iol.cz [90.177.166.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v21sm3616902bkt.23.2011.03.29.11.20.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michal Varga To: Matthew Fleming In-Reply-To: References: <20110329013223.ddca7453.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <1301419646.71335.123.camel@xenon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Stonehenge Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:20:04 +0200 Message-ID: <1301422804.71335.143.camel@xenon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , Jason Hsu , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:20:09 -0000 On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:51 -0700, Matthew Fleming wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Michal Varga wrote: > > Here too. How is "desktop support" on FreeBSD lacking? > > I realize a desktop means many things to many people, but the biggest > thing holding me back from using FreeBSD on a desktop is flash > support. I spent a little time trying to follow online instructions > and I didn't get anything working. Lack of Flash support - a proprietary closed exploit-ridden hellhole - sorry, I mean - "application" - that's in no way tied to FreeBSD and controlled by a legendarily uncompetent company that blantantly refuses to release a FreeBSD version of this very fine and awesome rootkit (a good decision that one can only support, so really, what's the issue) is hardly something that could even remotely be FreeBSD's fault. I mean, this is what we're talking about: http://secunia.com/advisories/search/?search=adobe+flash But even in a completely hypothetical scenario where Flash wouldn't be the world's most famous never-ending exploit carnival in the entire existence of the universe, how that makes FreeBSD less desktop friendly or less desktop capable? Adobe decided to not release their software on FreeBSD (again, thank you Adobe, that's a thousand less attack vectors daily to worry about), but there is no issue with FreeBSD with regard to that, isn't it? This isn't the case that "FreeBSD broke the Flash" (ok, this isn't funny anymore), there was never any FreeBSD Flash in the first place. So no FreeBSD issue exists, or at least I can't see it, or maybe I simply don't get something here. There is also no Microsoft Windows Management Console for FreeBSD, does it make FreeBSD lacking, insufficient, or broken in some specific server area? m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account)