From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 28 22: 6:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C25B37B400 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0219C43E6A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7T56I108415; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200208290506.g7T56I108415@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: rob spellberg Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:06:13 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rob spellberg writes: >> >> This is because it's terribly frightening to most humans to a) >> >> be personally responsible for their own actions, b) honor others >> >> regardless of what they choose to do, c) maintain a state of constant >> >> present-time awareness, d) follow their own internal codes of conduct, >> >> e) find their passion, and f) dance their passion into existance. >> > (d) is problematic. >> For you, maybe. I find, once I remove the consensual pressure to >> conform, that it's rather impossible to violate your own internal >> codes. Remember that you can't say anything about another's >> violations, just your own. > actually, [d] --is-- problematic. > if one person's ICOC includes killing others and > others ICOC's insist that they not be killed by others, then > houston, we have a problem. I think you misunderstand (d). Your ICOC cannot insist actions from others by definition. It's an internal code of conduct, for how -you- act. If you've written "I shall not be killed by others" in your ICOC, then you're bound to take a martial art, study combat, have umpteen guns, etc. Or you could study Aikido. > in my experience [ i'm 47 ], > most people are neither enlightened nor aware. Granted. > consider that there exists a large group of people > who put forth great effort, just to avoid having "a job". > all utopias fail because, sooner or later, > somebody learns how to game the system. The utopia I described starts with people who have no need to game the system. It's pretty far advanced, I doubt our current system could transition in less than 5000 years without some natural disaster taking out most of the population of the planet. >> Well. Let's see just how much your averagea 4K message will cost you >> to store. > the last post was 28k. And rare to find a post that long. Look at the troll post sizes. > oh, dave. > the ad_hominem attack; > questioning your debating opponent's intelligence. That's not an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is something like "Terry you ignorant slut". If you examine the context, you'll get a better handle on it. > you have just declared that, in your own mind, > you have already lost the argument. But I'm not trying to win or lose... > graffiti [ except in designated places ] --is-- vandalism. > in addition, by your own admission, > it is sometimes a clear and present danger to public safety. That doesn't mean it isn't artistic because it is illegal. Some of it is beautiful. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< A person was frighteningly ugly. Once he was asked how could he go on living with such a terrible face. "Why should I be unhappy?", answered the man. "I never see my own face; let others worry." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message